That’s already in the original data sheet. I made that one
But yes, the turret ring is arguably the biggest bug of this vehicle. Here hull underside slope remains consistent up to the turret basket, while the topside decreases slope upwards. Thickness should vary between 200 and 50
There is also gap between the hull ring and the turret ring, which is understated by a lot of people. Should look more like my drawing here. This would add another 19mm of armor to the whole turret ring by default, eliminating a lot of low caliber IFV APDS from being able to penetrate at more than point blank range.
As shown by this photo, the turret itself was conveniently blown off while leaving the attached ring and turret basket inside the hull. Turret ring and hull ring should be properly seated and 100% sealed
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Most technical drawings I’ve seen also show a slight gap though.
Here’s a comparison I made a while back:
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Sorry, to clarify, I’m talking about a horizontal gap between the two turret ring models, not vertical.
I agree with you that the actual turret alignment issue is kind of a made up rumor. If you look at the photograph I sent, I am referring to the interior turret ring (in real life attached to the basket) in game attached to the underside of the turret armor module does not match the diameter of the hull turret neck.
In the destroyed Abrams photograph I sent, you can see the turret seats perfectly into the hull with no gap for spalling to enter through. This is the only photograph that actually proves this since the turret basket and ring is actually part of the turret, but was left inside the hull when the vehicle was destroyed.
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Here is a more helpful angle. As you can see, the actual turret ring (green) does not match the diameter of the hull turret neck (yellow), allowing for spalling to enter regardless of penetration of the internal turret ring. So basically the purpose of having this issue fixed is, if the actual hull turret ring protection were to stay how it is now, the turret ring would effectively be 70mm of armor, rather than 50.8. Which, with the angle it is built at, would actually be enough to rule out most small caliber IFV and SPAA APDS shells. Of course this is still a minor issue in comparison to the lack of volumetric armor in the turret ring but it is still something. So, overall there are two issues. The inside of the turret ring is just totally modeled wrong, and it also needs to be changed to volumetric.
Now my original drawing above should make more sense.
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If you take a look at the hull ring all by itself, you can actually see how the turret will seat properly. Penetrating this module alone cannot result in spalling entering the fighting compartment, it must also penetrate the turret’s own ring. Theoretically speaking, this could result in a MUCH larger increase in armor protection, but I have nothing to substantiate that so I just stuck with Gaijin’s guestimate of 19mm
A more accurately modeled turret ring would still have a gap that you described, which the in game model doesn’t have, but it would be a weak spot closer in size to a Leopard-- so basically negligible.
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Here’s another image that might be helpful.
Yes that is a very clear image, that’s actually one of the ones I included in the report but it is hidden from view
That image also shows the thicker upper plate armor around the fuel cell on the left and right hand side beneath the fuel caps
In all seriousness the Booker is the most DOA item to come to the US in a long while
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It is a tragedy. And for the same amount of labor, they could have fixed all of the discrepancies with the entire Abrams line, and added the SEPV3 at the same time.
I own all of the us tech tree and a couple of premiums.
Honestly I like the Abram’s very much. A recent buff made it harder to kill frontally with auto cannon rounds. And they gave it LWS. Also turret cheeks are nearly impenetrable. I know because I tested it. Got shot point blank by a 2A7V with its best round and poof. Nothing happened. At least they gave it attention this time. I wish they’d give it APS now. Trophy.
I love the booker though I bring it to top teir. Almost got some nukes there with it
It’s just called M1A1 MSGL
You forgot about AAI X-rod SACLOS (top)(the other is TERM X-rod by Hercules, which can be fired with the help of MTAS or just in Bulldog mode)
There are also enough 140, 130, and 152mm tanks, we should see one of the CATTB or thumpers in the research tree eventually, which fight the Obj 477 and one of the Leopard 2 140s
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Can anyone explain a few things to me?
Why are the composite skirt elements only as effectives as straight RHA, when it supposed to be similar in composition to the other Special Armor arrays.
There is an additional amour panel behind the composite skirt plate that doubles the thickness, which is what gives the observed improvement;
~145 =>270, which is short of the ~290 The doubled amour thickness would imply vs CE
should be 65mm Composite+30mm Applique RHA +27.6 basic RHA+ ~400mm air, as can be seen with the external amour off in the viewer, and the above cross-section.
Worse is that it does practically less than anything against KE threats considering 87~60mm effective isn’t great, for something that is effectively 122.6~92.6mm (65(+30)+27.6).
And how they are supposedly greater than 10x the thickness(6.35 vs 65mm) of the regular RHA plates used in the skirt elsewhere when on the model the thickness barely changes.
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