Luch = Leopard, LS3 =LS3 with a 20mm, M802 = M17 with extra secondaries…its not difficult for anyone with experience of the German fleets to figure out the out performance of these premium even if not owned as they are virtually, if not exactly the same.
If you don’t like others opinions then why bother posting in the first place? You claim moving it 3.7>4.0 wrecked both the boat and the lineup which is clearly not true, I even provided you with a new lineup to suit it. Obviously not willing to consider there are alternatives that will work just as well and that BR changes are not an automatic death sentence.
Perhaps if you had read the news thread and looked at the spreadsheets from Gaijin you would have know the M802 was going up and objected at the time. Instead you only just complain now. You had your chance and blew it.
I’ve not seen a single other thread complaining about the change, players still spawn them regularly with success, they still take effort to destroy. This is particularly unusual considering its premium status that would normally bring cries of derision, and yet silence. So it seems most players have accepted nothing has changed except a number and yet…
The assumption the M802 is now a dead boat is just an assumption. Thanks for your opinion now move on if you don’t actually want to consider alternatives to continue using it.
Makes about as much sense as raising the Luchs and Jaguar (destroyer) to 4.0 which makes no sense,
So for sure they’ll do it!
Funny how when keyboard warriors get called out they just keep going.
Clearly there are some people who know how to make the best of the M-802, and their success warrants a BR increase.
My take is that it is a situational boat - at 3.7 I have it in my lineup for situations where I thought it would be useful - mostly for cleaning up low BR PT boats and Soviet river-gunboats or when the enemy was fielding a lot of a/c… at 4.0 I’ll have another look and there may be better options.
M-802 is capable of exterminating all other boats with boat spawn, such as Pr. 206 (BR 4.3) and 16mm boats, so BR 4.0 or higher is appropriate.
Compare with boats with boat spawn, not with boats with destroyer spawn. If Gaijin take away the boat spawn from the M-802, as Shōnan does, then it is permissible to lower the BR.
No clue why you and your buddy keep comparing same tier boats.
I have absolutely no problem going toe to toe with same tier boats.
I am capable of exterminating most other boats at spawn just as some of them are capable of exterminating me.
M-802 being slow and squishy it not an opinion.
I compare the highest tier I’ll be facing as that’s what will be squashing me.
In Navy Arcade Battle that’s seeing ships BR +1.0 higher
That means my 3.7 Premium Preset went from seeing 4.7 to 5.0
i.e. I went from not seeing Moffet to being killed by them almost every game.
Are you suggesting that only M-802 should be given special treatment? Just as the poor boats of BR3.3 and the beginner BR3.3-3.7 destroyers will have to face SKR-7, it is not only M-802 that will face BR+1.0.
Negative.
Someone else mentioned (in thread, actually read above) it happened to a few ships same time as M-802
Not for the better from what I have seen and heard.
These big coastal spawn boats like the M-802 (some others as well) have the massive issue that they get locked up easily by destroyers and early cruisers from their spawns. Alot maps are quite open and you get gunned down easily while you just move very, very slowly out of your spawn.
Its especially bad with SKR-7’s these pinpoint precise lasercannons kill your M-802 before your match even starts. The slow speed makes it impossible to escape their autogun salvos, they fire right away from their destroyer spawn.
No need to put it any other way. The BR was raised and shouldn’t have been - it should be changed back just as they did with the Prinz Eugene when they made the same mistake.
No hidden agenda, no words for you to twist and no double meanings.
You are mistaken,
This is not the place for you to share IRL personal ,vulgar, violent self insecurities.
Oh I see.
You ragged on the April BR changes
You had a good cry there about change.
“It is also clear that the developers do not play their game, so I think that players should, on the contrary, support the most stupid changes possible. I applaud the transfer…” -King of double meanings (so unclear, no idea what you are actually for or against.)
You sooked about the about Eugene being fixed, FYI it was originally 5.7 and they were overdue in correcting their mistake.
“These changes will increase hatred and toxicity of the game,”
Seeing as it’s impossible to assume where you actually sit on this topic - rubbish posting increases hatred and toxicity in and out of the game.
However, the large coastal spawn boats also have a big problem of eating up all the other small boats if there is no attack from destroyers/frigates.
I think the phenomenon of the ship, which is the borderline of the spawn location criteria, becoming more difficult to handle is unavoidable as long as we try to maintain the MAP size to make the current game speed viable.
ah the usual conspiracy. Gaijin is so focused on pay to win that they first increased the BR and later removed from sale their most profitable premium ship. Makes sense
