The assumption the M802 is now a dead boat is just an assumption. Thanks for your opinion now move on if you don’t actually want to consider alternatives to continue using it.
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Makes about as much sense as raising the Luchs and Jaguar (destroyer) to 4.0 which makes no sense,
So for sure they’ll do it!
Funny how when keyboard warriors get called out they just keep going.
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Clearly there are some people who know how to make the best of the M-802, and their success warrants a BR increase.
My take is that it is a situational boat - at 3.7 I have it in my lineup for situations where I thought it would be useful - mostly for cleaning up low BR PT boats and Soviet river-gunboats or when the enemy was fielding a lot of a/c… at 4.0 I’ll have another look and there may be better options.
as long as not other obvious op vessels don’t get their BR increased its ridiculous to increase M-802 or Gabbiano (this is no 3.7 ship ! ) .
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those ships should get their BR increase for quite some time but agreed there are other major offenders missing on the list.
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M-802 is capable of exterminating all other boats with boat spawn, such as Pr. 206 (BR 4.3) and 16mm boats, so BR 4.0 or higher is appropriate.
Compare with boats with boat spawn, not with boats with destroyer spawn. If Gaijin take away the boat spawn from the M-802, as Shōnan does, then it is permissible to lower the BR.
No clue why you and your buddy keep comparing same tier boats.
I have absolutely no problem going toe to toe with same tier boats.
I am capable of exterminating most other boats at spawn just as some of them are capable of exterminating me.
M-802 being slow and squishy it not an opinion.
I compare the highest tier I’ll be facing as that’s what will be squashing me.
In Navy Arcade Battle that’s seeing ships BR +1.0 higher
That means my 3.7 Premium Preset went from seeing 4.7 to 5.0
i.e. I went from not seeing Moffet to being killed by them almost every game.
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Are you suggesting that only M-802 should be given special treatment? Just as the poor boats of BR3.3 and the beginner BR3.3-3.7 destroyers will have to face SKR-7, it is not only M-802 that will face BR+1.0.
Negative.
Someone else mentioned (in thread, actually read above) it happened to a few ships same time as M-802
Not for the better from what I have seen and heard.
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These big coastal spawn boats like the M-802 (some others as well) have the massive issue that they get locked up easily by destroyers and early cruisers from their spawns. Alot maps are quite open and you get gunned down easily while you just move very, very slowly out of your spawn.
Its especially bad with SKR-7’s these pinpoint precise lasercannons kill your M-802 before your match even starts. The slow speed makes it impossible to escape their autogun salvos, they fire right away from their destroyer spawn.
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No need to put it any other way. The BR was raised and shouldn’t have been - it should be changed back just as they did with the Prinz Eugene when they made the same mistake.
No hidden agenda, no words for you to twist and no double meanings.
You are mistaken,
This is not the place for you to share IRL personal ,vulgar, violent self insecurities.
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Oh I see.
You ragged on the April BR changes
You had a good cry there about change.
“It is also clear that the developers do not play their game, so I think that players should, on the contrary, support the most stupid changes possible. I applaud the transfer…” -King of double meanings (so unclear, no idea what you are actually for or against.)
You sooked about the about Eugene being fixed, FYI it was originally 5.7 and they were overdue in correcting their mistake.
“These changes will increase hatred and toxicity of the game,”
Seeing as it’s impossible to assume where you actually sit on this topic - rubbish posting increases hatred and toxicity in and out of the game.
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However, the large coastal spawn boats also have a big problem of eating up all the other small boats if there is no attack from destroyers/frigates.
I think the phenomenon of the ship, which is the borderline of the spawn location criteria, becoming more difficult to handle is unavoidable as long as we try to maintain the MAP size to make the current game speed viable.
Eugen has no place on 6.0 and now we have even proof of that in the form of its recent BR revert.
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It is more evidence than you have for your tired and worn out complaint
Yes - and good - because if they did not make a profit we would not have a game.
Oh dear some pur wee sensitive soul flagged this…
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You care enough to be spamming my thread, please take it elsewhere thankyou.
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You state “Pay to win” - a tired trope complaining about the state of the game.
If you REALLY don’t give a fuck why are you posting at all?
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ah the usual conspiracy. Gaijin is so focused on pay to win that they first increased the BR and later removed from sale their most profitable premium ship. Makes sense
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Counter-profit seems to be the current business model.
Make certain premium vehicles useless.
Transfer of account from console to PC being almost always closed turns so many people off of the game you’d think someone would get fired over it.
Its always meh when you pay RL money to get a premium unit, and afterwards it gets somehow changed to a state you never really would have bought it.
My negative favs:
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Frigate Lubeck, quite expensive market place ship. Was a nice researcher / grinder before ship tech trees got split into coastal / blue. After the split is was suddenly just a coastal, was 1 rank lower (! this is meh, I obtained it as max ranked prem, which could unlock Blue Water ships) and SL/RP modifiers had been nerfed.
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M802 Mine Sweeper, golden eagle vessel. BR got bumped to 4.0, which puts it up vs. early cruisers, modern attack ships and advanced destroyers. Another effect: At this BR you often get into matches which are Blue Water only and have no boat targets, the whole cutter is pointless in this case. You can sink yourself and leave the match. Sometimes a BR bump of just 0.3 completly ruins playability.
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Heave Cruiser Prinz Eugen, expensive store unit. Not remotely the best cruiser, but suddenly its BR was 6.0, equal to very advanced and powerful US cruisers with far more firepower, tankiness and AA capabilities. Additionally you faced 7.0 BBs far too often. Almost every match a +1 uptier. Its was unplayable. After one patchcycle Gajin corrected this strange decision. But still, its was unplayable for 3 months.
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Store helicopter Bo-105 CB-1. I bought it with 5km range TOWs at a BR with just GUN SPAAs. You could lob ATGMs from relative safety. Suddenly the TOWs had barely 3km range. Pen is also not that well. There were SPAA’s with lethal proxy rounds introduced. Later even IFV and MBTs with good anti heli capabilities. Its BR was somehow never adjusted. Its 9.3 BR with 3km range vs. SAM SPAAs and all kinds of vehicles with proxy shells. You are always in range, even a IFV might just lock you up at this meh range. This one was really expensive and I don’t use it anymore, since years. Equally BRed TT helis have far better ATGMs, so why is this BO not lower BRed?! Instead of fixing, it was removed from the shop. It was likely noticed how pointless it became. Sadly you can’t get the money back.
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20mm autocannon Sd.Kfz 170 and 234/1. I bought one @ Gajin store, others from marketplace. It used to have 64mm pen and you could pen tank sides and some lighter ones even frontally. Suddenly Gajin did a ballistic update and the pen was reduced to 48mm. Suddenly even tank sides were difficult to penetrate. They also didn’t correct its BR to reflect this. I bought the 170 for RL money and didn’t used it since the nerf happened.
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