Brothers, I know that many will think it’s stupid of me to open a post with this vote, however, in my opinion Gaijin should add the Look Down shoot Down capability to missiles that have this capability (AIM-7M, Aspide, Skyflash, R -27R/ER, Phoenix) I know many people won’t agree, but RB is literally hell with a 16x16 with all the players flying low… I think adding this would change the strategy, after all, there’s no point in you having a F-15 with 4xAIM-7M or a Mirage 2000C if they can only be used on high-flying targets (Running the risk of the missile losing its lock and you losing on a perfect occasion **No fights and insults, please, let’s be civilized **
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Uhh, correct me if I’m wrong here, but the use of MTI/LD radar mode for Russian planes and Pulse Dopper modes for US planes already allow you to do this. Both cancel the ground clutter and allow you to target planes close to the ground with radar missiles already.
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i think he is talking about Multipath interference which is in game when you fly low enough you are invincible from the radar missile.
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all aircraft should be removed from the game tho so yknow who car!
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It makes a lot of sense, of course, removing aircraft from a game that was made for planes.
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The PD and MTI modes only help you see low-flying targets, HOWEVER, some missiles do not have the same capacity as those mentioned above (Missiles that have monopulse seekers).
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LD/SD ability is related to the radar, not the missile.
is it currently meant for planes or is every new player ever exclusively gonna play ground because tanks are way way cooler?
no war thunder player can accept change and it keeps being shown to me over and over and over, everyone just wants the same biased game because idk, i guess people love abusing planes cause what else would they do, play the ground game fairly against anyone? what a joke!
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“Way way cooler”? Well depends on you,…
Tanks are far more easy to handle in comparison to planes, when you’re a newbie of war games → that’s about 60%-80% new players in the game.
Game was made to be COMBINED BATTLES (Design/Marketing/…Everything is for a combined arms gameplay), so both You and OP are wrong when saying:
And both of you are currently being dumb on that point.
They currently are authorized to play aircrafts, by the game design.
If you don’t wanna play against/with aircrafts → others games are offering what you ask for.
feel free to tell me which other games do the war thunder model without planes, ill be back in the next decade or so to see your progress (also i dont know how War Thunder: World of Planes = combined battles either but you do you)
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Ah,… no,… you asked for a GAME without planes,… that was you’re first post here.
Nothing else was saying that you want the same damage model/physic model.
Then, you have 2 choices, to Go for
→ other games with different Physic model, but no aircrafts.
→ keep this game , but accepting the combined arms gameplay (and maybe also adapt to it,… seems like you’re currently not understanding how this game should be played)
A third option would be to Develop a game with all advantages you ask for, BY YOURSELF.
(But i as i’m figuring out, you might be too bad to do that,… so that third option really might be impossible for you)
i am trans so i could make my own game, but then i would need to convince x amounts of people to play it so yknow… takes a few years, then you constantly need to update it and then you need staff and then etc etc etc, anyways, ground game = game of ground realistic battles (for those less fortunate than us in the skill of comprehending english), the fundemental difference between war thunder and wot/ armoured core? i dont remember, is that one is just a better pick, damage models are everything and yknow you expect tanks to hit things with a shit ton of force, and you probably wanna do modern stuff so uuuh… no thanks to wot, but yes it would be ideal if this hypothetical war thunder killer also had the same damage model, and if they even monotized it right it could just be literally better than war thunder, but probably not get near as much players
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Please help them by pressing this key sometimes : “Enter”
And? How’s that would help you create a game?
Enjoy you created a company, be the new CEO.
Still,… you wanna destroy the fun of many, because of how unhappy, unadapting you’re about certain and unchanging Game-design.
The game is saying from the start of ground forces that you can use every type of vehicules, yet you came in the game → you were not lied to, you just don’t wanna adapt to it.
Not the company problem, not the other gamers problem.
i mean… hey, you do understand it, dont you?
And? How’s that would help you create a game?
every programmer is trans, its an interner in-joke
Enjoy you created a company, be the new CEO.
thank you very much
Still,… you wanna destroy the fun of many, because of how unhappy, unadapting you’re about certain and unchanging Game-design.
i do not see how that affects me, youre uuuh preaching to the choir so to speak, anyways im not even the only one who says any of this, and im not exactly just one gamer whos bad at the game, im genuinely alright, sure, i use the chinese tt so i get massively disatvantaged (cough, hn-6 aam, cough), but everyone else just has the excuse of ‘‘do the same thing im doing, or face my wrath of uuh… killing you with as little input on my part as possible cause i have a ton of skill!’’, so it never feels awfully nice to engage any one of you, as im sure it isnt fun to engage a person who dislikes how overpowered air is against ground, a genuine fix is making a seperate gamemode, limiting the amount of spawnable air vehicles per team, and or making spawn costs 2-5x higher, gaijin wont do that, and im rather sure you know why
Helping others,… not me.
Well the one i know would disagree,…^^"
And youre not the only not playing the game at it’s fullest too,… therefore you do have the short-seeing of those who do not play the game at it’s fullest.
You never played aircraft do you? (I didn’t checked it yet)
The “little inputs” guys are the one that are easy to defend from,…
Nope,… i told why already
Why not,… but Gaijin shall ensure the possibility for everyone,… so in 32vs32, it would be at best 16 aircrafts per team//1 per player
I’m less against that possibility than others you provided here,… but it still miss some overview, and detail view of such thing.
AND → certainly not.
OR → certainly not with the rates you invoked.
Spawn costs higher → they already are fairly costing more than playing tanks.
Simple aircrafts with it’s best bomb loadout would cost bewteen 720 to 920 SP(A-10A with payload and gun munition are at 1080SP) cost on → for the 1st spawn [it is 1.6 times higher for 2nd spawn]
While first tank spawn is about 400 SP at best (being Heavy Tank AND Top BR of the match).
A fighter without any specialized AG weapons (specific belts for guns / bombs/rockets and modern payload) is already higher SP cost wise, between 480 to 520 SP cost.
Well the one i know would disagree,…^^"
to each, their own
therefore you do have the short-seeing of those who do not play the game at it’s fullest.
no?.. all of my opinions are based on the cumulative mass of stuff ive seen on everyone saying anything about a certain topic, however im sure some of them dont really play air (like me)
You never played aircraft do you? (I didn’t checked it yet)
i started like 2 weeks ago, am up to just about 4.0 in china
The “little inputs” guys are the one that are easy to defend from,…
a bullpup strolls up to you from a person in an a-4e early whos altitude is 6+ km, your best aa missiles have 6km all aspect range… ill let you deduce the bit that is fair there, oh and how about me strolling about in any tank ever, taking a bit of cover, as suddenly a guided bomb drops on my forehead, killing me instantly, yeah i guess that guy sitting over the entire map is really easy to defend from isnt he?
Nope,… i told why already
you didnt, you mentioned play other games and then something something people get upset, however im not sure how either apply to adding another gamemode that would just make a large part of the playerbase happy, actually, another quick bandaid fix, make spaa worthwhile to play, you get 0 reward for helping your team (i still believe that helping your team is a useless endeavour and this proves it even more)
I’m less against that possibility than others you provided here,… but it still miss some overview, and detail view of such thing.
my only goal is to make sure every air player suffers as much as possible when playing against tanks, so were on equal footing
Spawn costs higher → they already are fairly costing more than playing tanks.
two scouts and a cap, yknow i mentioned before how air players need it as a crutch but goddamn man
Which is limited to about 300 players saying one thing one way, and 50 others saying the other thing another way,… whatever the thread,…
Go play it first ^^"
What is this then?
You never will be on same footing,… because you do not own same characteristics physically,…
That debate of aircraft vs tanks will always be on the same way:
“Aircrafts are OP, but i don’t play SPAAG/SPAAM, and then they’re even more OP, because there is no resistance at all” is the way this Subject have been debated since 2014,…
It never changed, but the game changed A LOT since 2014.
wow i need to setup 3 keybinds? goddamn this is so hard for my walnut sized jet player brain god… damnit.,…
What is this then?
you saying something taht isnt true? it was made to be a plane game that eventually got everything else, also if anyone played cab and they dont like people killing them with ultimate levels of bullshit, they would probably appreciate a ground only gamemode, this doesnt… disprove it?
You never will be on same footing,… because you do not own same characteristics physically,…
yea, i like playing ground battles, i know, shocking
“Aircrafts are OP, but i don’t play SPAAG/SPAAM
my 5th most played vehicle of my war thunder career is the latest spaa i unlocked for the chinese tech tree, dont straw man pls
because there is no resistance at all”
you have to turn a little to dodge every missile i send at you, you can kill me from 3 km away while moving (post 2 is impossible for guns) and all of you still complain, i do not know how to explain it in any better way
but the game changed A LOT since 2014.
yea, planes got more op, and the soviets got the best spaas, while everyone else is left to rot usually, so the cycle repeats i suppose
it was literally part of the 22nd news about the game, that we can control tanks/ships in WT.
even though it was still pretty much an alpha test until CBT in late 2013/2014.