Game and top tier is much better suited to defend against Raptor and it’s AIM-120 than it was with F-14 and it’s AIM-54. That being said some decompression would be very good
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phoenix back then was even worse than it is now lol, plus 100m multipath rendered it useless. i think adding early f-22 with no hmd and only 6 total missiles would be fine, would be pretty balanced. especially considering how bad the aim120a/b is
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Depending on the T-50 they add it would have much larger RCS
If you want 6 AMRAAM but no big performance increase it would have to be an early C model, like C-3 or C-4
Doesn’t really matter either. At 50 km engagements both of those should be detected by an AESA radar
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i said 6 total missiles because i was under the impression that the early f-22s can only carry 4 120a/bs and 2 9ms
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Oh my bad didn’t notice that, your right
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Exactly, so we should see two instead of one.
You still haven’t put any advantages and still didn’t respond to my question.
The R-73 beats the AIM-9M in every metric.
The T-50 would have 3D thrust vectoring with the R-73
The R-77-1 is just outright better than the AIM-120s
I imagine that it would have JHMCS which the raptor does not
And these are just a couple of things
Maws? Countermeasures?
Not to mention that it would have more R-77-1s if it would be added
no it wouldn’t. it can only carry 4 of them, and only on the outside lol, no internal ones. f-22 can carry 4 internally, su-57/t-50 can’t carry any r-77 that’s not r-77m internally
F-22 has these too tbf
i think the irccm on the 9m is better
maws basically the same, f-22 gets around double the cms of su-57
How many CM and what size are the Su-57?
They both have their strengths and weaknesses, the T-50/Su-57 have almost no countermeasures (x42 in total)
T-50 wouldn’t be able to carry the R-77-1 internally as they have grid fins.
42 large calibre, i think f-22 gets a bit more than 70 normal
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Not really. Try launching an archer from top-down or side aspect @ about 5km into a lawnmower, see how well this one goes. Both missile have uses, and I personally found NATO-style IRCCM way more useful given how often actual dogfights happen and how many multipathers there are.
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Yeah i think it was 72 normal CM, but LCM are much more effective so Su-57 effectively has the same or more CM
i forgot about external mounts, so early f-22 could carry 12x aim 120a + 2 9ms, while su-57 can carry 2x r-73s internally and 4x r-77-1 externally
12x is theoretical and I don’t remember it originally being a requirement like 4+2 loadout was
is this not a double rack 120 on the external pylons? i dont see why it wouldnt get it. either way, it carries the second most missiles of any 5th gen (j-20 has more, better missiles cause that thing is a beast lol - no gun tho)
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