bro cant stand being wrong
if you dont like ppl correcting you you should post on the forum
i think you’re missing the point of this post, though I do think it could’ve been worded differently. Unlike the LMUR, the JAGM/Hellfire and Spikes are heavily documented which is also supplemented by videos.
How come the LMUR which is less documented (although it does have videos) gets it’s best flight profile where as the western agms which is very much well known at this point, doesn’t?
If video evidence alone is enough for the flight profile to be determined, there’s no reason for other agms to also get them.
This is an issue of preferential treatment than anything else
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because gaijin didnt copy pasted 5 year old spagetthi code onto it due to it being quite a different form factor compared to hellfire and the kind
most of the issues 8in this game can be traced back to gaijin being lazy af
so Gaijin is basically lazy and incompetent unless it’s giving Russia an edge?
gotcha!
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It’s not even laziness; Armen already proved that all they have to do is change a value from 0.1 to 1 in the BLKs of the game. It’s literally blatant bias that they could do this with LMUR but didn’t retroactively change anything just to keep LMUR as the only true top-attack weapon in the game.
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It’s not spagetthi code which is the issue here and I would’ve agreed with you if I hadn’t known about this: Guided weaponry data (in-game values) Honorable mention for Jaek_ for making amazing videos on missile on YouTube If you want to reach enlightment, then you have to spade the Italian heli line, no talisman/ premium/ boosters - Google Spreadsheets
This table shows all the values of a guided munition in game.
It’s not that the devs are unable to change the code, it’s the opposite. It is easy as changing a couple of values. The issue is that they refused to do so.
The hellfires (maybe the jagm) struggle with drag by a lot. If the lofting profile is changed, it means that it’s max distance is also severely reduced. To ensure that the agm is accurate with it’s real life counterpart, they need to change other values (like reducing drag, generating more lift, etc) which will ultimately result in a buff.
This is why they won’t do it. It is the same reason why Mavericks aren’t fixed to this day. I can maybe understand if these agms are super OP and broken but they aren’t.
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And you can see in this MBDA video how PARS aggressively dives into the target, which in game does not.
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alot of assumptions today hm?
I would like to reiterate my points and change my title to phrase this issue in a better light.
I’m not denying LMUR being a top down missile. I just don’t have any evidence that says so.
LMUR is Russia’s first FnF missile that was introduced just last year, being modeled after western FnF missiles like PARS, SPIKE, JAGM, and the likes. However, there is a CLEAR russian bias at play. Let me explain. We had bug reports for SPIKE, Hellfires, and PARS for multiple years for not having a proper top down attack flight path. Now in the Tusk Force update last year, the LMUR and JAGM joined war thunder at the exact same time. However only LMUR was given the highest AoA value out of all the missiles. Now there is no solid sources or even third party sources that confirm LMUR has a top down flight path. But let’s assume the youtube videos are enough proof that it does have top down flight path. However, why is it the first missile to have a true top down flight path? We already know that these paths depend on a single value in the data files Gaijin can alter very easily. If the LMUR are based on western FnF missiles, which Russia has officially claimed btw, they should not be the first to get this treatment. The fact that JAGM’s bug report still exist with ACTUAL sources confirm my suspicion that this is not due to the incompetence from the devs but a balancing decision. But there is no way this decision is balancing. IF anyone has sources other than videos of people dying in Ukraine, please send them here. Until then, I believe that the LMUR should get the similar AoA values as the JAGM unless JAGM gets the same value as the LMUR. And SPIKEs, PARS, Hellfires, every other non-russian missile needs to get their AoA values updated to its right number.
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I’ll leave this here, maybe by some miracle a dev comes across this mass issue report.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/0EfDA6sXcBok
This LMUR fiasco needs to be addressed eventually. How come it is the only missile that is allowed to have this feature?
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JAGM: Community Bug Reporting System
SPIKE: Community Bug Reporting System
Hellfire: Community Bug Reporting System
PARS: Community Bug Reporting System
Lofting is apart of the LMURs standard flight profile.
It’s was marketed at EDEX in Egypt and the Dubai Airshow and mentions its top attack capabilities.
It’s undeniable that I does this by standard.
Still a brochure from there would be nice. I want to believe LMUR’s capabilities, but I can’t just take word of mouth. And how does Gaijin choose the highest AoA value for the LMUR when JAGM and other missiles have already well known AoA values?
Imagine if the roles were reversed and the LMUR had lower AoA values. What sources would russian players use in the bug reports to fix it?
It’s lofting capabilities can also be seen in all videos available for it, and no the operator is not steering it up, it’s operates like any other NLOS/Fire and forget weapon. Also I’m aware of some of the others not working as intended, they should be similar.
It has a datalink for operators to steer it. One of the modes is where the LMUR is fired by GPS first and the IR seeker is turned on later for the operator to guide in the terminal phase. And is there a video showing the steep top down flight path Gaijin claims it has?
There’s plenty of that on telegram.
Well if you can share them here, that would be great. And of course no one dies in the footage.
I’m not sharing combat footage on the forum, it would get taken down anyways.
Did you find any videos that aren’t combat footage?
How do you know they are actually perfectly identical? Maybe they are trained how to do different profiles certain ways the way pilots train maneuvers certain ways
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