Oh wow so we’re just gonna assume you recieved training on this missile. Where are the hard facts, all you’re doing is making assumptions from a grainy video with no context whatsoever.
Ok so Gaijin will take videos of people dying? cool cool.
I’m not denying LMUR doesn’t have top down attack, they could be inferring that it has it by saying it is based on the fire and foget path from Western missiles. But Gaijin gave it true top down attack first before the western missiles even though they have actual sources compared to videos of LMUR bring used in Ukraine.
so tell me how multiple different ppl manage to do the exact same loft profile manually while flying in a helicopter that is probably shaking and stuff
yeah i dont need to argue with you anymore since you arent doing it in good faith
all you are doing is denying direct evidence to push your point
Go read the bug reports on the SPIKEs, Hellfires, and JAGMs, and tell me if what the evidence you’re providing matches the same level as what they’re providing.
And why do you keep giving me videos? Do you not know LMUR can be fired with multiple modes.
Dude no. I said READ the bug reports. Look at their evidence, and think to yourself why did LMUR get the top down treatment with absolutely zero source. It’s really funny to see a missile based on western missiles get the real values first.
I just want official source of it having top down attack. Then maybe it will make sense with videos you proivde then. Until then LMUR should get the same treatment as SPIKES, Hellfires, and JAGMs
i think you’re missing the point of this post, though I do think it could’ve been worded differently. Unlike the LMUR, the JAGM/Hellfire and Spikes are heavily documented which is also supplemented by videos.
How come the LMUR which is less documented (although it does have videos) gets it’s best flight profile where as the western agms which is very much well known at this point, doesn’t?
If video evidence alone is enough for the flight profile to be determined, there’s no reason for other agms to also get them.
This is an issue of preferential treatment than anything else
It’s not even laziness; Armen already proved that all they have to do is change a value from 0.1 to 1 in the BLKs of the game. It’s literally blatant bias that they could do this with LMUR but didn’t retroactively change anything just to keep LMUR as the only true top-attack weapon in the game.
This table shows all the values of a guided munition in game.
It’s not that the devs are unable to change the code, it’s the opposite. It is easy as changing a couple of values. The issue is that they refused to do so.
The hellfires (maybe the jagm) struggle with drag by a lot. If the lofting profile is changed, it means that it’s max distance is also severely reduced. To ensure that the agm is accurate with it’s real life counterpart, they need to change other values (like reducing drag, generating more lift, etc) which will ultimately result in a buff.
This is why they won’t do it. It is the same reason why Mavericks aren’t fixed to this day. I can maybe understand if these agms are super OP and broken but they aren’t.
I would like to reiterate my points and change my title to phrase this issue in a better light.
I’m not denying LMUR being a top down missile. I just don’t have any evidence that says so.
LMUR is Russia’s first FnF missile that was introduced just last year, being modeled after western FnF missiles like PARS, SPIKE, JAGM, and the likes. However, there is a CLEAR russian bias at play. Let me explain. We had bug reports for SPIKE, Hellfires, and PARS for multiple years for not having a proper top down attack flight path. Now in the Tusk Force update last year, the LMUR and JAGM joined war thunder at the exact same time. However only LMUR was given the highest AoA value out of all the missiles. Now there is no solid sources or even third party sources that confirm LMUR has a top down flight path. But let’s assume the youtube videos are enough proof that it does have top down flight path. However, why is it the first missile to have a true top down flight path? We already know that these paths depend on a single value in the data files Gaijin can alter very easily. If the LMUR are based on western FnF missiles, which Russia has officially claimed btw, they should not be the first to get this treatment. The fact that JAGM’s bug report still exist with ACTUAL sources confirm my suspicion that this is not due to the incompetence from the devs but a balancing decision. But there is no way this decision is balancing. IF anyone has sources other than videos of people dying in Ukraine, please send them here. Until then, I believe that the LMUR should get the similar AoA values as the JAGM unless JAGM gets the same value as the LMUR. And SPIKEs, PARS, Hellfires, every other non-russian missile needs to get their AoA values updated to its right number.
