A wise man on this forum once said:
If 1000s of lvl 10 players can play top tier and leave after one death making 80% of matches pointless to play I sure af can play low tier and enjoy the gameplay there.
The only problem is
The other team has them too and if they start to go on a streak the lvl 100 players in your team have to as well otherwise the team will get stomped in a matter of minutes cuz they ain’t stopping the 3 man esport squad of the enemies. So casual play for the veterans in your team is a no go a lot of times.
Yes, Level 100 doesn´t make you a pro or better then others. But lets face it : When you are Level 100 and got (e.g.) planes up to 13.3, then the guy is not playing against 100% of enemies on his level on BR 3.0. He is playing against Noobs and low level performer.
And yes, a Level 100 Pilot doesn´t have to be a good tank driver. But again : Combining BR and Level is the best solution. I´m asking myself, why Gajin is playing against money. I think, there are new players everyday in War Thunder and after that what I read, many of them doesn´t want the actual system ands leave soon. Gajin needs new players to grow and these new players have a higher chance to pay for new stuff, then old veterans who play for 10 years.
As long as there is no better other way is the best matchmaking with BR AND Level. Veterans vs. Veterans and Noobs vs. Noobs. I don´t know any Noob, who wants to play against Level 100, but Level 100 Players have no problem with noobs. :-) hm…
Many guys who play high tier doesn´t like it “up there” and return to lower BR. But will they have the same “fun”, when they face level 100 opponents only wherever they go? I doubt that.
Well it’s definitely a change of pace to play lower br’s, enjoying some casual gameplay and slower pace and the overall chaos and madness that is low tier, even at 1.0. Also knowing that you dont have to perform every match and just enjoy the chaos.
Just doesnt work if every time the enemies also have like 3 lvl 100s murdering your whole team.
And for the snail queue time apparently is everything so there you go. elo based mm isn’t a thing, certain brs get constantly up or downtiered into premium one death leaver hell, top tier naval rb is 4 vs 4 more often than not with one team having 3 7.0 bbs while the other has none. Air rb with the same br discrepancies. Most top tier matches are over in less than 10 minutes and decided in 5 with one team completely sweeping the other.
But you can play 15 of those shit matches in an hour, isn’t that great?
It is what it is and the snail is sticking to it as much as they stick to the same 3 cap gamemode on 1x1 km maps since 12 years.
I think theres not really a point in arguing about it. It won’t change
You must have not seen the countless threads of people complaining about one death leaving in high tiers? Do you think it is fun playing top tier US atm when 70% of you team is lvl 10, has a one vehicle lineup that doesnt get crewlocked after leaving, has no idea what he/she is doing in a m1 clickbait and is basically only in your team to feed as much sp to the enemies as quick as possible so that even when you are one of two people in the team doing well they have enough sp to spawn 5 cas planes? Whos gonna shoot them down? the lvl 10 clickbait horde in their abrams?
Be teamed with US in top tier=consider leaving at match start.
If those guys can wreak havoc in high tier matches, expect me in low tier once in a while. Edit: Where people do bring lineups. Where people dont leave after getting casd once. Where not every tank has the same weakspots. No stabilizers, no apfsds, no helis, no ff agms with 20 km range, no laserrangefinder.
It’s just much different and very fun gameplay and arguably more skill dependent. your shots wont land on target 0.5 sec after firing with pin point accuracy by pressing one button. I think you’ll have to deal with the fact that theres lots of people enjoying that gameplay even if they spent 1000s of hours in the game and have top tier in multiple nations.
I was level 25 not so long ago. I think i am level 55 now? Idk. It took half a year as i mostly fly props. Funnily the moment i decided to get the f8u/f8e for sl grinding, i got far more level ups than i did equivalrnt time flying my props and sriving my ww2 tanks.
I had zero issues facing level 100s.
To this day i have zero issues facing level 100s.
I sometimes check my opponent’s profile in asb after a battle.
Do you know something i noticed?
Random lvl 30 and 25 folk have given me very fun and close dogfights where victory was grasped through exploiting one small mistake.
I check their profile and i see stuff like 200h asb in almost entirely bf109F4, K4 and other variants.
Meanwhile i flew against plenty of level 100s that made me check to see if i was accidentally sealclubbing and nah. That level 100 just barely ever flew in the mode before.
Also the gameplay of props vs jets is very different. Someone who is awesome at flying missile jets and bvr combat might suck at gunfights. Conversely, if you try and do the same tricks in the f8e that you do with your bf109f4 that clutched you some wins you get missiled. Repeatedly.
Ww2 and jet tiers are entirely different games almost.
I play low BRS because I just feel like it every now and then. Or because I’m starting a tree again or continuing at a low rank.
Of course, I also play my German tree with ace crews every now and then and that gives me an advantage.
But I also notice that I’m still no better than the people who are practicing at that rank. Since I mostly play at 12.7 or at 8.7 for the Russians, the behavior and tactics I’ve practiced simply don’t fit with the tanks in the lower ranks.
Apparently, many people feel this way.
So the rank 100 players aren’t a big deal.
Of course, there are also seal clubbers with special event-, or premium tanks, or even lovers of the ranks with a huge amount of experience at that rank.
They then naturally wipe the floor with their opponents.
I had someone calling me out a couple weeks ago for being lvl 100 at 2.0. I just don’t understand why some people think it’s so bad. You’re gonna see people better than you at every BR. Also sometimes it’s fun to be better than everyone else after I destroyed in the abram’s
yes, there are better people then me in every BR, but there is a high correlation between a Level 100 Player and superior Vehicles, crews and knowledge.
And yes, I trust you guys, when you say, that high tier play isn´t that good and creates not the fun you expect. But just imagine, you play BR 10-13 matches against noobs only? Wouldn´t that increase the fun? ;-)
Again, there is an issue and a potential solution : Combine BR and Level of the player. I didn´t read a better solution then this.
Yes, Mr. Level 100 to me its still an act of coward behavior with a superior crew, verhicles and knowledge and when the matchmaking is changed in the future and level 100 players just play against other ones, we will see, how much fun it is :-D
The topic with statistics and ego I read on reddit. I´m not the owner of this idea. There are cheater in many games (not only) in war thunder. What do you think, why they cheat everywhere? :-) Its usually not for money…
i played less then 800 matches in all countries and in 6 modes and yes, I´m a Noob Mr. 5000 Matches. That I have to explain this :-DDDDDDD
And yes, I play much naval, because its fun to me and thats whats its all about to me. Not grinding for a specific vehicle.
Well MisterBroker, it is still insulting. I may have some adjectives for you too, but they don’t belong in a discussion. So if you want to be taken seriously, you should debate seriously and keep your insults to yourself.
And where do you think these cheaters reside in warthunder, level-wise? The last ban list will give you a good clue.
You forget about your ~1100 battles in arcade.
No problem with that, but in naval, your insults are totally without substance. People who are playing top tier boat lineups will be matched with people playing entry level destroyers. Matches are not “boat only”.
No, because I derive the most joy from flying propeller aircraft and evading guns and putting mine on the enemy, not a third party missile hitting me out of the air when I’m having a gunfight with someone.
The crusader’s concept is funky enough (navy airforce designs are always wacky I find) that I’ll give her some flight hours now and then but it’s nowhere as fun as fighting bf109s in a corsair.
Had you used premium and premiums instead, you would now be rank 88 instead of 36 and very soon be among the elite. And according to your wishes, you would then want to deal exclusively with level 100s. You already love to play against them.
And then you have the time to enjoy some netflix episodes while you wait (and wait…) for a naval battle composed entirely of level 100s.
selfish :-DDDDDD I have a solution. You guys have excuses and attacks :-DDDD Level100 is the cap…some guys would be on 200 or 300 or whatever…does it make clearer for you?