It depends what you consider to be “seal clubbing”. In many of my matches I see one team completely seal clubbing the other and I’m not speaking of the lower BRs.
This is not an easy game for new players and it never was, but I also think that is what this game has best to offer, a challenge to improve yourself in it.
I agree completely. Rank III and IV is were I have the most fun.
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When I started War Thunder I had no idea what I was doing. I played USSR and Germany, then I got into France because of the AMD.35 - I wanted to rush to the capture point on Ash River :-) I enjoyed the light tanks from the very start. Progress is slow but I think Rank I and II vehicles can be unlocked without premium very easily. I was always getting new stuff, which kept me playing, even when people were spawn camping me and sniping me before I could aim and fire back.
There are lots of bad players at Rank IV so even with 200 ping I don’t feel intimidated. I like being the weird person who plays spaa and catches out those CAS players who just assume easy kills. The Skink is hilarious because planes have trouble damaging it. There’s lots to experiment with at Rank IV and the vehicles are fairly powerful even without filters, transmission or engine upgrades.
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lvl 100 must be according to the skill
I’ve encountered this a lot and it’s frustrating. To be sure, some highly experienced and proficient player (level 100 or not) play lower BR for a relaxed game play and to genuinely have fun. Some even are positive and helpful in mentoring newer players. But I’ve encountered quite a few who do so maliciously and vindictively as some kind of sick ego boost. I’ve messaged a few to call them out and they straight up admit it - that they enjoy being a bully and making those at a lower skill level squirm. You see them racking up 20+ kills and it’s not just frustrating for those trying to learn, it’s downright abusive.
I don’t think higher levels should be banned but I do think there should be better mechanisms for preventing this level of abuse - if nothing else it turns people off and discourages team work.
It is amazing to think we all come through those levels as complete beginners. I wonder how I even stuck at the game. It can be a struggle to survive even now at level 100 in higher BR.I wonder what the newbies make of the fog now, even harder to see.
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I played a match today where a level 100 player was last on the team. This was only BR 2.7 - 3.7
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Last game I played the down tier was kicking ass so it made no difference.4 kills to everybody else’s zero after three minutes.How do you even find a cheat on this game when the down tier is seal clubbing so hard? If the down tier is getting 25 kills at 2-3 BR what is the cheat hoping to gain from cheating?
I saw a P40 get 17 kills 0 deaths in a rank 2.7 match where he was obviously fighting weaker players. I damaged him once with my Ta Se but he didn’t die. Honestly that’s just how the game works - it’s an unfair eco-system of prey and predators. The best you can do is get enough xp to reach the next level.
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With the lack of skill based matchmaking and the probability it will never occur it is just another broken facet of the game and there are so so many, It is just a fairly random event generating, non skill based game with an endless list of faults, exploits, bots, and people using various nefarious ways to make sure they are successful.
It is a joke game and the best way to play it is to treat it as such, view gameplay as just for laughs with no seriousness or link to realism or reality in any way shape or form. It has too many flaws to take seriously or engage in any meaningful way you will just become annoyed, frustrated and gradually loathe and hate the game, jump in dick around and jump back out again it is how the company want you to play, cycle through games quickly to improve their queue times and buy everything.
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There was another thread about how many kills you ever got in a game and people were boasting of getting 30 kills ,no doubt the usual stat shamers
,now we know how they got them.
I was around lvl 100 before starting to play ground forces, so while I was like lvl 100 or so, I was a total noob back then. Now I’m not, but I don’t go low BR for sealclubing as you might suppose. Before Sons of Atilla I played low BR for various reasons:
- silver lion grind in order to be able to play or buy higher BR tanks and aircraft (now solved by Gaijin with Sons of Atilla, thanks God they addressed this)
- grinding for unlockable skins on tanks/airplanes that I liked (and the thing is Gaijin has some trouble when they messing with skins, but again Sons of Atilla, even if they screwed up again the skin kill counters, it also made the unlocking of skins much easier)
- returning to some vehicle that I really am fond of to see if it has improved or got nerfd (mainly FCM 36 in my case and Breguet 693 for aircraft, but also Char 2C and B1 bis among many others, still I don’t linger much there without any of the previous reasons)
- newly added low tier vehicles
- newly added modules for vehicles that before I had spaded
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I am level 100.I have never played a game of Sim I don’t think and hardly any naval. I actually own a level 5 BR Naval vessel, but God only knows what would happen if I took it out. A long swim home I imagine.
I was level 100 before I got guaranteed kills every game, I think my stats reflect my poor start even now.
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Level really is only an indicator of how long someone has played the game. You could die to a level 100 grinding a new nation or you could die to a level 20 who just happens to know what he’s doing. You can always watch replays and videos from more experienced players to see what tactics they use.
Keep in mind that level 100 might be trying a new game mode, too. All their experience might be solely ground forces or air.
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I just played a match with a 2.3 lineup. I would say that qualifies as low BR.
Blue team had one 2-squad.
Red team had a 4-squad, a 3-squad and two 2-squads. Most Squad members were high level players.
To believe that level 100 are rare in low tiers is a myth. But lack of balance has other causes, as is illustrated.
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And how many times is the winner of a 6BR game level 20 ? It happens.
Stat pushers are indeed the bane of many fun games for lower level players. I mostly agree with the points you make. I was talking from my own most recent experience from flying lower BR’s with a friend who is new to the game, so my observations are in no way representative of the general experience of new players, or the lower BR brackets at large.
The idea of whole squads dunking on lower BR ranges for the sole purpose of having high stats on thunderskill, is extremely worrisome imo. I’d question their sense of accomplishment, but it’s online gaming and numbers means more I guess. I might just have been lucky not to have run into such a paintrain myself.
Fighting good players in op vehicles as a newbie is usually a guaranteed way to get clapped real fast. The only reliably long term solution to this would be a player ELO based matchmaker. With the current matchmaker already kinda struggling with making non-mixed games, especially at certain “dead” BR brackets, I’d think this would be a monumental challenge to implement.
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We have this, but it is not working. You might want to check this post and the whole thread:
I fully agree. Imho we won’t see this soon.
Some kind of skill based MM is needed. But really before that happens you can’t force lvl100 players out of low tiers. Many players started WT because they like WW2 era vehicles and guess what? WW2 era vehicles start from 1.0 and end to around 7.0-7.7
I’m forced to club low levels if I want to play some of my favorite tanks of WW2 like M5A1, PzII or 75mm Sherman. I think MM was much better 2015-16 before later tiers were added. Yes there was more lvl 75-100 playing tier 1 and 2, but all nations had those players, not anymore. Nowadays good luck winning matches in France, Germany or Britain when you face US or Russian team full of T-35s,M8A1s and M8s that are driven by lvl 100 players.
Also the difference between two lineups at low tier can be massive. F2P new player can have 5 vehicles free in lineup and most likely its not full lineup, meanwhile somebody like me can have 7-8 vehicles that are all from events and prems that outclass most tier I free vehicles.
This is just it…there is NO REASON to “forbid” you to play in low tiers…it should just be necessary to have MORE players like you and ideally on both teams.
The tanks don’t have to be equal for all…the balance comes from BOTH TEAMS being relatively similar. Players have to accept that sometimes they have a good tank, others they have a bad one…but both teams would have good and bad…so everyone can find targets…
The difference can be fun. I personally dont think it would be fun if everyone plays on T34s for instance…it would be balanced, but less fun.