Lets talk about the state of Germany

Why are you telling him? Stop nerfing IRIS-T out of your own volition, man

Like they do irl without artificial bs to make them invincible

Every prediction is hypothetical but its valid assumption that cheaper helis would be spawned more frequent given that SPAA was more expensive. Plenty of people spawn what they like, not everyone is a meta chaser.

More people know → IRIS Ts stats get worse → IRIS T gets a buff
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A buff? You mean unnerf? We just got it back from coma - I doubt we can expect anything else for like idk 3 years?

Buff, unnerf, potato potahto for NATO vehicles at this point

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Having a hard on for CAS won’t let you do that.

I don’t know.
If you had a really good 8€ pizza that suddenly became trashy and dropped down to like 5€, do you think it’d sell more than before in the long term ?

First spawn CAS would also be a problem you’d need to balance in order to have somewhat playable and even gameplay.

Any proper discount will make most non FnF helis avialivable for first spawn and it would be super toxic (much worse than old ka50/52 rush) and unreal to balance. Enemy team have some saint who spawn spaa? You mostly useless. Don’t have? You can make al least 2-3 kills untill someome spawn spaa.

Let’s be honest, let’s be real honest… you made it work, becouse you didn’t had to face IRIS-T…

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Probably not but thats a real life purchase not a spawn in a video game. Were talking about completely different psychological price barriers here.

Thats true but Gaijin could simply solve that by restricting early CAS spaws

We as humans have to feed ourselves and money is in finite supply (for most), so opting for worse food that cost less have a bit of logic behind it, but spawning a subpar blob of pixels might not.

Gaijin could solve a lot of problem very easily, but they won’t.
That’s the issue.

Yeah so the 2 things are entirely different decisions made in completely different environments based on different motivations and therefore making a direct comparison is not going to have a satisfying result. Youre not gonna get your real life 5 bucks for your shitty pizza back but you can spawn as many shitty helis as youre able to gain SP for.

Preach.

The problem with DIRCM helis is just that they dominate IRIS T complexes in its current iteration.

Especially ru players exploit this. They often early-spawn Mi-28 with CCRP’ed rocket pods vs Ger teams and just kill every German top tier IRIS complex. At matchstart they’re easy to locate (at the spawn base) and one heli is enough to rocket spam all of them from max rocket range. There is just nothing you could do.

Also air won’t help. My Amraams won’t lock on helis, despite the moving rotor blades should give huge doppler returns for a clean shot. Sidewinders are spoofed by MAW and …yes… also DIRCM. You can try a gunrun on them, but good luck with that. Pantsir and BUK will have a word with you…

When you spawn your own heli, DIRCM also spoofs all your means, while they lob an unfailable LMUR towards you.

Dunno how winrates are. But at top tier, as Germany, I must have below 40%. You get clubbed hard by soviet choppers, which are supplemented soon enough by dreaded KH-38 spamming jets.

Its only vs. Rus teams, that you see crazy air to ground kill streaks. Often enough one volley of russian air kills 1/3 to 1/2 of your team. Especially these small 8 vs 8 matches are rediculous. One russian air spawn usually wipes off the whole team…or almost…

Maybe Gajin could have mercy and remove dircm. Or add a Gepard to the IRIS complex, so you can at least try to counter rocket runs from Mi-28’s.

I just don’t understand this game. How can videogame devs deliberatly invaluate all your weapons…you have no chance to reach out to enemy helis. What kind of balancing is this?

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I would’ve managed, pantsir missiles are faster anyway and hills are a thing regardless of which side you’re on.
And well, yea, chinese thing was also there and it’s guidance is somewhat similar.

Nah, you can do it even facing IRIS-T but you have to play smart and wait for maps that benefit you and put the SPAA at a disadvantage like buildings and such. I say this while using the AHS.

Let’s not generalise the behaviour off USSR/Russian players witht the play-style of Loner and the 5 of his fans that can pull those stunts… and btw this can be done with all nation helicopters, that have access to larga amount of unguided rockets.

SAL Brimstones are the most common method for hunting Mi28’s

Terrain hugging is commonly used by EF/Rafal/F/A-18 pilots… and it works…

Well this is bs… 90% of those projectiles (Kh-38 or LMUR) are intercepted by the IRIS-T.

Well this is bs…

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Lolwut? Are you serious? Every single point is total nonsense.

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Just here to drop a new bug for the 11.0 puma, in case someone wants to report it.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/1ryhbxf/puma_vjtf_ammo_bugged/
The belts dont appear the way they should in game. So you’re limited to 1 type of ammo.