To be fair its likely gaijin wont buff it as it would cause a change in BR. Gaijin does this quite often and it wouldn’t suprise me if gaijin purposely implemented things in a weaker state than they should so they fit certain BR’s.
why is people still using this thread? i remember it was used a lot when germany literally had nothing for a lot of updates and was left behind, till EF2000 was added and others and i think it finally fixed it. the other problem was the massive copy paste of leopards for other nations(but nothing we can do about it) or when gaijin added the Dutch f16s to other nation instead of germany, i think Germany is very nice right now, it only needs a better spaa like any nation except Russia.
whats the point people are talking or debating right now? there is so much mixed things like some guys talking about the french rounds(? other talking about abrams rounds(? im lost
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You’re forgetting a lot of players wanted Danish F16’s just because of CAS, also Argentina because they are to receive Danske F16AM’s and they wanted Polish F16’s. It wasn’t just about A2A though. It was CAS, which currently the EFT is in a very rough spot when it comes to CAS. I assume we’ll need to wait for gaijin to add new SPAA before they power creep them again with the next update having triple the range CAS munitions.
I think its fair to keep the thread up to discuss current problems the nation has but it does occasionally get boring when i check to see if any actual problems are mentioned with bug reports or suggestions and rather its just hate being pushed left and right. Welp im gonna bounce my opinion will likely get me some lovely messages if past experiences are anything to go off of.
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It would go from 532mm → 561mm
We’ve better tanks with more pen already at its BR.
Because Germany will always suffer according to a lot of German mains.
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Yeah but you’re forgetting the most important factor which is gaijin logic
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Indeed. We have Arietes at 11.7 and 12.0…
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well appart from coping and a few offtheme here and there, i got some extra info on the boxer skyranger 30 A3 the variant the german army is gonna be adopting
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It started as a general complaint place for problems with Germany, especially in response to a dearth of content or updates for Germany. Thus, while Germany has now received some new content, this is still the main place to discuss whatever problems Germany might have, whether these are new or old.
So this thread isn’t really discussing the “State of Germany” as it was when it was created, but rather the State of Germany as it is now, and will be discussing the State of Germany as it is in a year or two years.
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No way you think France gets better treatment than Germany
Let’s look at the AMX-40, Leclerc, all of the lower BRs that gimp France’s guns to save German tanks, the only saving grace in all of France right now is the Rafale. It’s not France who got the Alouette II, a French helicopter, as its first, no, it got the borderline worthless H-34 that’s already missing 2 AS.11s, it wasn’t France who got the DF-105 and Germany who had to wait 4 years, and it wasn’t Germany who’s Boxer got gutted to be 9.7, it was France’s Vextra
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? Not that I’m aware of.
L/52 is 662mm 60 degrees. 331 /cos 60.
And L/44 is 618mm 60 degrees. 309 /cos 60.
A 7% increase in penetration for 18% more barrel length.
That’s within expectations, unless you’re talking about something else.
Though it’s possible that 7% shouldn’t be as high and should be closer to 3 - 5% increase over L/44.
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Appreciated. <3
Thank you, Jecka.
Seems valid enough
Well it doesn’t change the fact that the ‘French’ Tiger UHT was in fact the german Tiger UHT no# PT3/98+23, which was handed over to France for testing. After that they handed it back to Germany and its currently located in the Heli museum in Buckeburg, Germany. Just as info, it was also the Tiger airframe which was part of James Bond movie ‘Golden Eye’.
So, after all its kind of strange that FRA got it added as TT vehicle. With more loadout options and better AA missiles. Also with fully developed TRIGAT missiles, which irl were never finished. France bailed out before any of this could have been completed.
Result: The nation which adopted the Tiger UHT has a worse heli than France, who just tested it for a time and bailed before the ATGMs were even fully developed. At least thy could have granted german UHT the same loadouts…cause its a german heli??!
Where is the logic? Fra already had a top tier Tiger heli. There was not Gap…
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I don’t get Gaijin’s decision making here either. But it’s not a great thing either; the Akeron LP, AH-64E NL, or even just making the AH-64D as TT were better options for the sake of variety, and for the Akeron, even superior missiles
It’s a questionable choice but in no way shows bias unless you use it for confirmation biases
You could even say ‘it would have been a lower BR with its vast nerfs and thus improve the lackluster pre-toptier lineups’ and that it would have helped MORE
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Didn’t gaijin recently nerf the Maus by removing the internal armor around the fuel tanks and infront of the engine?
Pretty sure its a bug, thought someone made a bug report for it and linked it but i might be wrong. If anyone makes a new bug report ping me so i can help bump it for tech mods to see
Yup.
Germany received the Leopard PSO at the same time as France received the Leclerc AZUR.
The 2 are identical: they are downgrades of the previous MBT, sidegrade of the one before.
Gaijin reassured the Germans, big speech promising them more vehicles, and the next update I believe they received their latest Leopard.
France has had nothing but silence on the subject and no more Leclercs, despite 6 proto to add before the S1, and multiple to add after.
I hate the choice of giving us (France) a few Leopards, they don’t add anything (worst, remove originality), they don’t help the gaps that Gaijin says he’s “working” on. I’d have preferred a fix for the Leclercs, or more Leclerc (which are probably the most power-creeped MBTs in the game)
or more homemade vehicle (or at worst original stuff from BeNeLux)
On the subject of EMBTs, for me it’s simple: for Germany AND France. Both could get a line of the different models of EMBTs to come, for the 2 countries. These are cooperative projects after all.
Then the 2 countries will have their own in-house variants at the end of the main MBT line, like the KF51 for Germany, and the Leclerc Evolution for France.
The 2 countries have no shortage of choices for the future of the ground TT, with cooperative projects in one hand, and solo projects that set them apart (and keep some originality) on the other.
We can only hope that Gaijin treats everyone equally there.
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Germany has the Leopard 3 going on and the Leo 2 ARC, they don’t need the shitbus that is KF51.
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