Lets talk about the state of Germany

So, can the AIM-9L/I get a smokeless motor like the AIM-9M?

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“Unclassified” does not mean there is no export restriction. 1997 falls into the 30 year range, meaning it may still be export restricted. For this, the distribution statement is needed. It will have a rating (EG B, C, D, E etc)

Edit: It is in fact, still export restricted:

This will be down to the developers to decide, however the current source cannot be used without a clear distribution statement that it is not export restricted.

Tornado badly needs it, since it just got 2 missiles. Aim-9L gets flared too easily and also the Strike capability is just bad. So the Assta needs something to make it worth playing.

What I don’t get is: Why we don’t get an upgraded Tornado IDS with better AAMs? Ger Tornados used everything up to recent Iris-T, also several versions of the 9L-Li’s.

Better engines? There are some IDS’ with ECR engines, after ECRs and IDS’ roles got merged capability-wise.

BOZ-101 EC pods? With MAW sensors etc?
timthumb

Any chance of better ordnance which might be useful in GRB?

Brits have 3 TT Tornados already. And a fourth incoming. Where is our assta 3.X ?

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We have nothing remotely close currently to IRIS-T levels of missile performance in game.

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Germany over performing technology (as always)

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he talked about the tornado getting the AIM9L(I) or the AIM9L(I)-1

This would result in a BR increase. None of the 11.7 Tornados have IRCCM missiles currently.

the other option would be reduce the br of the tornados to be on par with the tornado mfg etc

its quite some time since you said you had some plans regard the weird br difference when they perform the exact same in air. But nothing realy happend yet

What about the upcoming Tornado Gr.4?

It’s for Britain - different talk

Its not 11.7. Its 12.3.

The GR.1 at 11.7 (the same as ASSTA 1.0) wont receive AIM-9M.

Will the F-4F ICE get the AIM-9L/I-1’s that it was said to be getting in its devblog, though?

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We know the IRIS-T is far from being added to the game but we need something other than crumbs. Britain gets a new Tornado with better capabilities while Germany just as well could have at the same time.
I honestly don’t have hope anymore. We ask for a better strike/CAS jet and all we get is a premium C&P variant of a subpar jet no one really uses and a modification for the IDS to get LJDAMS. We finally get GPS bombs after how many months of every other nation having them? Why couldn’t something so simple come at the same time?

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The simple answer is money and circular reasoning.

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Exactly

Lol this happened:
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It not gonna make any difference since it going to be use for top tier anyway (it’s only Strike aircraft for Germany what to expected?)

I made a new report with an unrestricted source

https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/exmb9ZOd3dtC

@Smin1080p_WT Could you explain why apparently the company who literally makes the rocket motors for the Sidewinder are apparently not appropriate source material?

https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/exmb9ZOd3dtC

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Based on the copy & paste vomit posted in the report, that’s 100% vladuxa. The same guy who rejected actual tape measurements of Leo 2 heavy side-skirts just because they didn’t conform to his belief of how thick they actually are.

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In this case he didn’t even read the source, or bother to look up who ATK is. Not the first time either, apparently Panavia isn’t a good enough source on the Tornado: Community Bug Reporting System