GR7 is inferior due to lack of climb rate & speed retention to avoid Pantsirs as easily as IDS can.
Neither Tornado is avoiding a Pantsir that is paying attention, nor does the Harrier - GR.7 however has more bombs (and a better targeting pod than the ASSTA), has 9Ms, has better flight performance apart from top speed and a significantly higher amount of CMs.
It has a lot more potential to do damage.
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That makes no sense, sorry.
It is quite ironic that the Germans, the architects of the modern military industry, are shown to have weak technology in the game today. :D Fortunately, we all know the facts, man.
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I’m not going to say germany lacks CAS anymore because you are right that these listings mostly fill out all of the modern BRs, but most of those jets aren’t great CAS for one reason or another lol
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GR7 has TIALD which is inferior to LITENING II.
And Pantsirs can’t hit IDSs that play correctly.
Why would there be Events, Premium and Store bundles, the Marketplace, Vehicle Coupons etc, when the Game is not about collecting vehicles?
You deny War Thunder its true purpose in my opinion.
GR7 has TIALD which is inferior to LITENING II.
In what way? Unless Litening II changed in any way in the last 6 months, TIALD’s resolution is higher, making it better at spotting. Maybe TIALD was nerfed in the past 6 months, dunno. However back when IDS was added, Litening II was inferior to TIALD.
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So like Britain and France, who have not received those types of vehicles. While there’s nothing wrong with Germany getting such vehicles, it would be unfair in comparison.
This applies to basically every NATO tank, more on that later.
Germany needed supplements to their MBT lineup, not necessarily upgrades. They were the nation with the lowest amount of MBT backups until this update.
Oh heck no, France is hurting the most from “balance” decisions, not just simply vehicles. There are more factors than just the vehicle portion which other underserved nations need that attention. Germany, despite the current issues it does have, does not compare to aforementioned nations.
MBTs sure, but not support vehicles. It only has the Type 16 as a viable support, the Type 89 is quite underwhelming. And you mention it later, but the Type 93 is absolutely unacceptable. If stingers didn’t suffer from the Igla manual nerf (what the hell even is that nonsense), it would likely be a much more enjoyable vehicle.
Their ground attack is supplemented by the Tiger UHT. While not exactly a replacement for a fixed wing, I wouldn’t claim Germany hurts that badly there. German (West) air is stuck until AMRAAMs, so it may be awhile longer until that capability gap gets closed.
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If they ever fix the pars3 the uht would actually be useful. Currently it’s borderline unplayable outside of like 6 maps.
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It should be fixed and by extension the Spikes too. Should the PUMA bring Spikes the same conversation will appear.
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Where did I say anything like that? You’re just putting that into my mouth.
This applies to basically every NATO tank, more on that later.
So? Just because it applies to “everybody else”, we can brush it off to the side?
Germany needed supplements to their MBT lineup, not necessarily upgrades. They were the nation with the lowest amount of MBT backups until this update.
Based on what exactly? Sweden is boasting a bigger line-up with better tanks, a better SPAA and much better support vehicles, US has better MBTs as well + better support vehicles, even without mentioning Russia. The only nations with obviously worse MBTs are UK & Italy, but France & Japan have MBTs that are as capable in the current meta (speed + firepower being the defining characteristics).
Oh heck no, France is hurting the most from “balance” decisions, not just simply vehicles. There are more factors than just the vehicle portion which other underserved nations need that attention. Germany, despite the current issues it does have, does not compare to aforementioned nations.
In what way again? Leclerc’s are by no means sub-par, yes, they’re lacking in certain aspects - but so do Leopard 2s; that’s called trade offs (no, i’m not saying Leclercs are superior to the Leopard 2s). UK’s MBTs are indeed inferior, but they make up for it with the amount (and this won’t change anytime soon).
Leopard 2s have been some of the most kept-down MBTs for ages, just like the Leclerc missing a significant portion of their armour, receiving artificial nerfs (DM53 being unable to defeat ERA like advertised), or having additional spalling applies to portions of the vehicle just so its easier to kill.
Their ground attack is supplemented by the Tiger UHT. While not exactly a replacement for a fixed wing, I wouldn’t claim Germany hurts that badly there. German (West) air is stuck until AMRAAMs, so it may be awhile longer until that capability gap gets closed.
See, this is why I spent the past 3 years pouring blood and tears into grinding this helicopter - just to have first-hand experience at how bad it actually is without having to listen to people talk about how great it is based on a single match they played 2+ years ago against the pre-nerfed UHT. It is the most situational helicopter in the game, completely and utterly useless on 90%+ of WT maps due to vegetation density as well as buildings, it simply cannot get locks, so it will hover there and look pretty. Sure, when it gets to play on a map that’s open, it can rain havoc, but on most maps I’d rather be in the YAH-64… or the Ka-50.
Most people cite the fact UHT has great survivability against SPAA’s, sure, it does - problem? It will never fire off its ATGMs and remain useless while also costing more to spawn (hooray for mostly useless F&F ATGMs!), it cannot really counter helicopters either due to low speed of PARS, it’s the most defenseless helicopter against jets as well.
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UHT never had Spikes.
Puma, even if it gets Spikes, will still suck. To this day it’s the most bugged/underperforming vehicle in the game (20+ major bug reports, most of them concerning armour).
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I don’t think he’s saying that they did. All f&f munitions are screwy in game.
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Fair enough, I misunderstood then.
Apache with spikes would be cool eventually tho.
Honestly I think the “cap” will be Hellfire Limas - radar guided ATGMs that ignore smoke cover and can be guided through vegetation. Spikes for the most part will share many of PARS disadvantages (i’m 99% sure they already do), i.e;
- losing the lock due to break of LOS via smoke
- inability to relock the target
- probably bad pathing as well
Didn’t mean to imply you said that. I brought it up because this is in relation to “is Germany being treated unfairly?” My stance is no, at least not by itself.
No, same situation as above explanation.
MBT backups, as mentioned. Unless you’re asking about the upgrades. They can get those as well, my observation is that they need MBT backups more than anything. The 2A6 is quite a powerful vehicle still.
This is why I blanketed all NATO having armor issues from before, since I acknowledge that Germany is included in that. France in particular is targeted by “balancing decisions” by impacting its reload speed and shell, being the second worst NATO round in game. At least Germany had the reload corrected back, the Leclercs still to this day do not. I won’t be derailing this by trying to say “who has it worse”, but it’s important to know that its not “just” Germany. And yes, I want Germany’s issues with their vehicles fixed as well.
I didn’t mean to say the UHT is amazing, my perception is that it is better in some more situations than Hellfire helis. However I may not fully understand its issues, especially with PARS. So I will refrain from saying it’s a viable alternative. Apologies.
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Fair enough.
MBT backups, as mentioned. Unless you’re asking about the upgrades. They can get those as well, my observation is that they need MBT backups more than anything. The 2A6 is quite a powerful vehicle still.
Is 2A6 meta? Yes. Is 2A6 a powerful vehicle? Yes. Is it lacking? Also yes. As far as I am aware, most people were asking for a Leopard 2 with improved thermals (for example, Leopard 2A6MA3, it would have somewhat better armour and programmable ammunition, but it’s main selling point had always been the improved thermal cameras). Gaijin instead added PSO, then castrated it and told us to wait for “an actual upgrade”. This is why people playing or maining Germany aren’t happy (for the same reason people aren’t happy about the AZUR - since plainly speaking, just like the PSO, it is a downgrade from the previous crown vehicle [2A6/SXXI] whilst costing a metric ton to research and make useable).
France in particular is targeted by “balancing decisions” by impacting its reload speed and shell, being the second worst NATO round in game.
That’s another issue - whereas the reload speed is a valid point (however the same can be said for manual loaders), the argument about the shell is pretty much non-sense to me. The OLF F2 that many people so desire, by all accounts, wouldn’t be an upgrade, but a sidegrade (because most estimates that I have seen make it out to be a clone of the OFL F1 but made in DU instead of Tungsten, that flies slower)… i’ve seen a few people mention the SHARD APFSDS (and yes, it would be an actual upgrade, as it’s in DM73 tier of performance), and hopefully it’s added when Tier VIII is introduced (so this year).
I won’t be derailing this by trying to say “who has it worse”
I never looked at this in terms of who has it worse, but rather in terms of “everyone but 3 nations has it bad, some nations lack in this area, and some nations lack in that area, or both of those nations are lacking in certain areas” etc.
I didn’t mean to say the UHT is amazing, my perception is that it is better in some more situations than Hellfire helis. However I may not fully understand its issues, especially with PARS. So I will refrain from saying it’s a viable alternative. Apologies.
Apologies accepted. However, I have to admit that UHT if given a really open map (usually a desert oriented one) is one hell of a menace (and of course if there’s no Pantsir, but against that one no heli is safe).
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Apache uses spike nlos, which is different animal entirely to pars3 or spike lr.