Lets talk about the state of Germany

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stay on topic, also dont compare an MBT with a light tank that isnt fair tbh

You’ve been talking about Russian bias on this thread for a while now, how this off-topic unless you’re doing it too? He complained about the round, so I offered a counterpoint.

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i’ve never stated anything about russian bias i’ve stated about how unfair its comparing this 2 tanks when they are different (120S and Sprut) and when you compare the massive wheeled vehicle against the tracked vehicle with a top round and the tracked its gonna have the responsiveness advantage over the wheeled one, 3BM60 can make deal of any enemy, and if you want to check in the fairness point here compare the 2S25M agains the TAM2C, imma stop talking about this for now.

speaking of the TAM2C, they should introduce TAM2C-A2, Afaik sights are much better with same 3rd gen thermals more zoom, now it has an FCS and the turret rotation should be almost twice as fast since hydraulics was replaced for Electric drive

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Now that’s something I’d want to see in the German TT.

Guys it’s like a first time using forums for you. If you want to insult someone, anyone - just use passive agression or sarcasm to avoid reprecussions. For example:
Oh yea, gaijin balancing team are SUCH competent professionals, a whole top tier braket is crying for more wise balancing decisions. I, personally, told my mom about the addition of a pantsir spaa and now it’s a family holiday for us every year, we celebrate it more than christmas!

U rlly don’t know what happened

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There werent really any insults made. You cant see that now cuz all the posts got deleted, but it was mostly just some players asking smin why thr nerf was so heavy and unrealistic, followed by players saying it was a really bad look to hide those post and ban people

I even complimented smin and my post was removed (not by smin)

Either way, not very on topic, itd be nice if we got a statement from gaijin about yhe absurd nerf to the leo 2’s

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I think what is most ridículous is when we start having a conversation about how this mechanics of spall liners working less on leopards than on T90M’s aswell as having twice as much spall as the breach should reallisticaly have, people making other tech trees like in this case they starts to tell us we have no rights to cry about this Even tho this is clearly not supossed to happen, i would be fine if they had an opinión but mess with other TT’s functioning by doing Bug reports like the one above out of spite, it’s not only ridículous but childish.

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This dosent mean no one can come and comment their opinión and questions, just as long as it’s not.
. Trying to gaslight
. Insulting anybody
. Spread missinformation
It’s fine to have your own opinión and You can discuss it pacifically

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This is the reason I stopped playing GRB above 9.0.

If anything, it’s more deserving of moving down to 10.3 rather than upwards to 11.0.

Something like a M1 or Leo 2A4 are infinitely better suited to the War Thunder META than the T-90A is. If the T-90A were at 11.0 it’d be the same BR as the MASSIVELY superior M1A1 which would just be absurd.

It should, it’s penetration is essentially the only positive thing about it. Even then 3BM-42 is already sufficient on the T-80B, so 3BM-60 doesn’t massively improve the overall experience anyways.

But without that 3BM-60 + 2nd gen thermals, it’s be an utter waste of time as everything else about it is horrendous:

  • Shared worst turret traverse at high tier?
  • Literal worst gun depression?
  • Abysmal reload rate?
  • Literal worst reverse speed at high tier?
  • No neutral steering?
  • Only 3 crew?
  • Exposed ammunition everywhere leading to constant one-hit-deaths?
  • Abysmal acceleration?
  • Atrocious reverse steering?
  • Obvious and simple to hit weakspots?

All of that being said, where 10.7-11.0 Leopard 2A4 C-technologie with DM33 Gaijin?

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Hello guys

Thanks for raising a report about the spall generation on the Leopard 2A5/6/7 series. This will require further review and study before its possible to answer. However its been passed to the developers for review: Community Bug Reporting System

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tanks not blowing up when the " external " internal fuel tanks are hit? russian spall liners? ??? that bias. pantsir? ka 50? 30km he missile?

so where are the spall liners in other nation vehicles?

like what vehicles?

He draws the wrong conclusions from the wrong experiments. Either out of ignorance or deliberately to confirm his own false statement. Modules eat the shrapnel and then he says the angle of spread is smaller. If he wants to show the truth he needs to shoot where a lot of empty space as in leopard case.

The t80 has the same spall cone as other mbt. And Relikt don’t help:

Leo 2a6





BVM without era





BVM with era



2a7 problem is that his hull spall liner has stopped working:

Same spall cone as 2a6


The turret spall liner is still working properly:

leopard without turret spall liner vs with turret spall liner

T90M hull spall liner is still work fine:

T90M (place without spall liner)


T90M (place with spall liner)


So if anyone wants to fix the leopards let them make a report about bug with leo hull spall liners. But that problem only for 2a7 and strv122. 2a4/5/6 don’t have problem with spall cone unless it’s a general bug with spall cones and than it is affecting all mbt.

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They are explosion/fire-proof.

Same as german or sweden ones.