Lets talk about the state of Germany

oh would not be surprised if that was a “accident”

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At the same time they changed the heavy skirts to be 50mm, instead of 100mm like on every other Leo 2…

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Like i said before “untentional visual/nerfing bug”

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bro you clearly have no idea what you talking about
the netherlands army and bundeswehr work together since ages
we do exercises together
their leos are german leos that are shared with the netherlands
and now the 2 armys get combined

So you tell me where a dutch subtree doesnt make sense or the misconception

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And the Finnish 2A6 gets 110mm skirts, while German one doesn’t :D

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Man. who the fuck is the one is doing this shit? Who hired that man?

The misconceptions I refer to is Germans thinking that the Dutch and German armies are the same now, thus warranting a sub-tree.
This is false. They are very much two separate armies simply working together.

Dutch army has different procurement, acquisition, doctrine, mission sets, training standards, you name it.

Once again I pose the question: is NATO one army because of a shared command structure?

Additionally, a Dutch sub-tree doesn’t make sense because Germany literally doesn’t have enough room nor need for one.

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@FurinaBestArchon Time for a new report? Im ready

the dutch army gets integrated into the bundeswehr command structure

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Answer my question.

If you wanna, I don’t really have the energy.

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that question has nothing to do with the topic neither is compareable
respond with sense or cut it

its fine saying the netherlands shouldnt be in the german tree bc they dont need new vehicles,
but coming up with shit that simply isnt true doesnt help you
netherlands and germany have strong military and cultural ties
and now even stronger ties after dutch army getting integrated into the bundeswehr command structure

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I have and you ignored the majority of the comment, which I didn’t complain about.

Again: if you have something to say, say it. If you don’t, don’t.

I mean we have sub trees that operate differently from the nation they were added to, not to mention things like China and Taiwan .

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China and Taiwan aren’t sub-trees of one another tho.

huh?

read the articles I sent…

The Dutch army integrated into the Bundeswehr and their command structure… The Germany army has command over the Dutch troops and equipment. The Dutch army can still decide wether or not to deploy the troops where the Germans want to, but for the rest everything is decided by the German army.

It is not a shared unit, it’s an actual integration of the Dutch army into the German 10th Tank Division. Sure, Dutch and German army are 2 different armies. But with the integration of Dutch army divisions into the German army and it’s command structure it has essentially become 1 (German) army, this is something completely different from Nato or nato command structure.

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…only if the Dutch permit it.

I’m not denying the integration, I’m simply denying the claim that some German mains like to make that it is now “their army” and using it as a poor excuse to get a sub-tree they don’t need.

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@Smin1080p well well well… after a whole year, the time has come to ask where the major Puma fixes are, since they’ve been missing in action for 2 years now. Y’know, armour, MUSS actually working, AHEAD etc…

he is on vaccation or something

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