Lets talk about the state of Germany

It cannot. We’re slowly but surely moving on from DM53 level of performance with the acceptance of DM73/M829A3 by the devs, in ± 3 years we will move onto DM83/M829A4 most likely, both of which severly outperform whatever the RUAG can use (and it cannot use DM73 even).

As far as I’m aware the RUAG package also assists in kinetic protection.

RUAG hasn’t shown anything that confirms the package they developed would be capable of providing increased KE protection performance, so at best it’s an assumption, better yet, it was produced at a time when COIN operations were the primary focus of all NATO members, so their primary requirement would’ve been HEAT protection.

I’d disagree with the latter point, as Switzerland extensively modified French designs during WW2 while also buying German stuff.

I think they have enough for aviation, but that is more subjective than even the things mentioned here earlier.

yes but under the context of the current discussion, no

as for aviation, id surmise that at least 1 vehicle in every rank would be the min for a tree. but as of right now, i doubt that the swiss have that, (we cant add the F-35 and the F-18 isnt here yet)

Many of the recent updates featured much more non-top tier stuff than top tier ones, so I wouldn’t really call them to be focused on top tier lmao.

Ah yes, continue spewing total nonsense you cannot back up. But as you said, it’s for the best to see yourself out now, maybe come back when you actually can prove something you’re claiming.

again non issue, RUAG kit never was actualy produced

if we define top tier as anything above 10.7 then my point stands true

That’s his point, no? Modified French stuff would’ve went to France, whilst German stuff would be a copy-paste. In the long term, Switzerland would become a non-important tech tree due to their lack of proper end game line-up, and in short term it would be seen as a C&P of Germany & France. Only the most dedicated players would stick around to playing the Swiss.

The only reason why PSO is even “top tier” is because underneath it’s still a 2A5, but all RUAG designs are based on 2A4s identical to batch 5 production vehicles (so they’ve got armour 1 or 2 generations older), and the add-on armour was mostly focused on CE protection. Then again, as Shini pointed out, only mock-ups were produced, so they wouldn’t be eligible for addition anyways…

You do realize several recent updates shipped without a single top tier ground vehicle in it ?

You genius realise we speak in general. Inlcuding Air ? it is the same for air, top tier makes the cash, low tier doesnt

yes thats because air was being focused…
wait… do you play air?

Weren’t there two prototypes of the Pz 87 RUAG? Could one be real and one be a mock-up?

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not to my knowledge, but what u send literaly is the mock up from the museum

Edit: Other pcitures i am seeing all have the identification of M77473 on the LFP

I mean the one next to it

There is also this thing:

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They focused on air and added three aircraft and four helis but have also added 15 ground vehicles ? (Kings of Battle)
I didn’t know 3 + 4 > 15 lmao.

Also, only 5/22 (23%) vehicles were actually top tier. So much for the focus, isn’t it ?

Not his point for France.

It’s still eligible, but one must not assume that paper stuff will be added, hence why I agree with taking it out of the picture.

just go you are completly useless here either way

Not true.
Update “Sons of Attila”:

  • PSO
  • AZUR

Update “Sky Guardians”:

  • Chally 2E
  • Ariete AMV PT1
  • Pantsir S1

Update “Apex Predators”:

  • WZ1001

Ignoring air additions. Going back to December of 2022 (and not taking into account the December 2023 update), 3 out 5 updates brought in new top tier ground vehicles, taking into account this update, 4 out of 6.

We’re looking at 6 to 15 new top tier ground additions in the past 5 - 6 updates (again, depending on whether we’re including Air Superiority).

Those are other prototypes but no RUAG kit itself, part of the PZ87 WE , never made it past prototypes as well and can be hardly told if its a real upgrade. Cant be realy implemented since no information is known and gajin would end up skewering it either way. The only 2A4 Kits that reasonably could be added are Evolution, Revolution since they are known and in use

The discussion about new national TTs and sub-TTs really bores me already. The discussion itself has become an endless loop.
It is evident that the game will reach the latest vehicles that currently exist. That leaves out a lot of nations to be independent TT’s (unless something changes in the way Gaijin adds new Nations).

At this point, I think most of the new nations will be appendages to those currently in the game.

So it would be good to know what plans gaijin has for this and put an end to this discussion once and for all, which in addition to being an endless loop, is replicated in every thread of this forum.

Particularly in regards to this thread and me, I would like to know what the subtrees of Germany will be and how they will be added since we already have 5 lines on the ground and in the air.

I am very anxious to know what vehicles we can receive. I like Switzerland. And although I don’t like the Swiss hunter, the fact that he came to the German TT when he has nothing to do with Germany is a clear indication that the Swiss vehicles will go here. But… gaijin said that there are no more Swiss vehicles planned for this TT, which means that if they come, it will be a long time from now.

If the difference between real and mock-up vehicle cannot be Seen, said vehicle should be admittable to WT
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