Lets talk about the state of Germany

[Mahiwew]

@FurinaBestArchon

That’s just special pleading. Those lines do not have to be full of MBTs, because they serve to support the entire TT. In case of Switzerland being independent, what would those vehicles be supporting between the Pz.61/68 and Pz.87?

A whole lot of nothing.

Because BR gaps are so unheard of even in major countries /s

@FurinaBestArchon

Then you get a tech tree that is unpopular (see Israel). Switzerland makes sense being a sub-tree.

Unlike Israel the Swiss wouldn’t be stuffed with Magach spam while missing out on some of their most unique things or an entire weapons system that is critical for their ground vehicles while other trees do receive it (Spike).
Israel is relatively unpopular due to it’s lack of variety, which wouldn’t be an issue for Switzerland.

@FurinaBestArchon

Ah here we go, that’s what I was waiting for. You’ve completely forgotten the original point I presented, haven’t you?

"German air TT is basically DOA as of today, while MiG-29G is still good, give or take ~6 months and it will be power creeped (I mean, it already is with Su-27…)."

And this changes…?
If you were so desperate to wish for foreign aircraft to buff out your own tree, then why not look at nations that generally fit better while also not infringing on potential independent candidates.
Denmark isn’t formally part of anything yet has an F-16 that could buff out what’s necessary for Germany.

[dotSHINI]

last update king of the hill wasnt better, artillerys pretty much are an exception they are all modern stuff, which is nearly equivalent to top tier. just that they are to niche and dont have real artillery mechanic

@MotorolaCRO the money makers of that update were Mig-29G, F-111A . JH-7A , Type 81 C (btw there u got your top tier ground) , MH-60L DAP , AH-129D and Tiger HAD Block, compare that to all your low tier stuff even then copy paste M109G which only are mid tier because we dont got a real artillery mechanic

[MS_Phantasm]

French and German vehicles would support whatever domestic Switzerland has.

[Mahiwew]

Present a sub-tree that doesn’t have a dedicated line.
I don’t see Argentina getting a formal announcement for being added to Germany on a large scale nor do I see it for other Commonwealth countries in the UK. This is because they’re not getting a line, which means no sub-tree. How else could the C2 MEXAS or M1A1 AIM go to other trees?

[Mahiwew]

@x_Shini

last update king of the hill wasnt better, artillerys pretty much are an exception they are all modern stuff, which is nearly equivalent to top tier. just that they are to niche and dont have real artillery mechanic

6.3

[dotSHINI]

yes highly modern vehicles, only at that br because of the role isnt in the game. Modern = top tier stuff, spaags are an exception

[Jεcka]

@Mahiwew

Because BR gaps are so unheard of even in major countries /s

And you know Gaijin wants to avoid those, right?

Unlike Israel the Swiss wouldn’t be stuffed with Magach spam while missing out on some of their most unique things or an entire weapons system that is critical for their ground vehicles while other trees do receive it (Spike). Israel is relatively unpopular due to it’s lack of variety, which wouldn’t be an issue for Switzerland.

Yea, they’d be stuffed with C&P Pz.61 & 68 variants that would different in what way? Right, none.

And this changes…?
If you were so desperate to wish for foreign aircraft to buff out your own tree, then why not look at nations that generally fit better while also not infringing on potential independent candidates.
Denmark isn’t formally part of anything yet has an F-16 that could buff out what’s necessary for Germany.

A lot actually.

“Potential independent candidated” ensures that X country can be expanded to reach top tier BRs in all ways, Switzerland can not, their ground tree would end on a Leopard 2A4(C), a vehicle that would not, and could not be placed at Rank 8/BR above 11.0

Denmark isn’t formally part of anything yet has an F-16 that could buff out what’s necessary for Germany.

You mean an F-16A? Man, totally would future-proof Germany till the EFT /s

[Mahiwew]

Explain to me how M109G from the 60s is highly modern, likewise for the M109A1.
We’re at the M109A7 irl, there is nothing modern about the A1, let along short barreled variants.

[Jεcka]

@Mahiwew

Present a sub-tree that doesn’t have a dedicated line.

That’s my entire point? A sub-tree can be either a full line, or can be cut apart and inserted into the main lines. Gaijin has done that with SA (Jas-39C), and would do it again with Switzerland.

[dotSHINI]

its definitly not ww2 material, cold war vehicles already are high tier stuff

[Mahiwew]

@FurinaBestArchon

And you know Gaijin wants to avoid those, right?

Yet they still occur.
Yes it’s not good, but even the US has had it for years and never suffered for it.

@FurinaBestArchon

Yea, they’d be stuffed with C&P Pz.61 & 68 variants that would different in what way? Right, none.

At least they’re unique platforms.
I’d be very willing to bet way more people would like that over more M48/M60s…

[Mahiwew]

6.3 isn’t high tier I’m afraid.
It’s a halfway point in the BR system xd

[dotSHINI]

again not talking about br here

[MotorolaCRO]

@x_Shini

@MotorolaCRO the money makers of that update were

How exactly do you know that ?
I want facts, otherwise I can tell you they weren’t and it’s pretty much a stalemate at that point.

By the way, 10.0 isn’t a top tier BR by any standard.

@x_Shini

compare that to all your low tier stuff even then copy paste M109G which only are mid tier because we dont got a real artillery mechanic

They are added at mid tier, where’s your point actually ?
Also, update Sons of Attila produced a lot more non-top tier than top tier ones so there’s that as well.
Same thing goes for La Royale.

@x_Shini

its definitly not ww2 material, cold war vehicles already are high tier stuff

So anything that’s not WW2 is automatically top tier, what a nice logic you got there buddy, it’s hilarious.

[Jεcka]

@Mahiwew

Yes it’s not good, but even the US has had it for years and never suffered for it.

And US has vehicles that can be added to fill in those gaps, but also offer improvement performance. How would Switzerland deal with them?

At least they’re unique platforms.

I don’t deny that, but…

Look, a place they can go in!

[Mahiwew]

Yet you call cold war vehicles high tier.
If you didn’t mean what you said then be more specific.

[StormRyder13]

@FurinaBestArchon

SA (Jas-39C)

Ah yes, a one-off vehicle that was only added because Gajijn believes the UK has nothing for the time period we are in the game.

Still doesn’t mean SA has an Air sub-tree. Because it doesn’t. Do you know what they do have? a Dedicated Ground line.

[ARK_BOI]

This boy can give to France and Germany if leclerc not gonna get fix

[dotSHINI]

yeah you are just delusional if you think low tier stuff makes cash. i will see myself out. Most people get attracted by the newest Shiny stuff thats why the trailers show the shiny F-15 Su-27 and no the boring low tier stuff

[Mahiwew]

@FurinaBestArchon

And US has vehicles that can be added to fill in those gaps, but also offer improvement performance. How would Switzerland deal with them?

Perhaps not the best. So what?
Sweden got added independently with plans for a sub-tree early on, what is to say this wouldn’t be the case for Switzerland?
If Sweden can be an independent tree then so can Switzerland.

@FurinaBestArchon

I don’t deny that, but…

Look, a place they can go in!

Can and shouldn’t.
I’d argue that they couldn’t even go in those places considering the armaments in question…