Lets talk about the state of Germany

lol This is vastly incorrect.
Italy & Britain get less aircraft than Germany.
If you hate F-4F ICE you’ll hate F-18.
That goes for @ARK_BOI too.
And you’ll hate Gripen even more.

@FurinaBestArchon
Sir, Typhoon is likely coming 2024.
And there’s F-4F ICE which for some reason ALL of you hate F-18s & F-4F ICE… which is what Russian mains hate.

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Source?

And there’s F-4F ICE which for some reason ALL you you hate F-18s & F-4F ICE… which is what Russian mains hate.

Your delusions aside, how do you expect ICE to compete with things like F-15C and more modern Su-27 variants?

It is an AMRAAM bus, nothing more to it.

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I never said i hate F4F ICE i can welcome it just said that swiss F-18 can be in german tech tree too F4F airframe pretty much can’t keep up with gen4 (unless it have IRIS-T on it)

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AMRAAM prevents WVR…
Calling German players insults won’t help discussions.
And the source is AMRAAMs early next year, with the 0.7 BR annual increase outside decompression.

The era of dogfighting ends early next year.

According to what in-game testing? R-27ER doesn’t prevent WVR, nor the Phoenix missile, what would make AMRAAM different in any way?

Calling German players insults won’t help discussions.

As I said, your delusions aside, thanks.

And the source is AMRAAMs early next year, with the 0.7 BR annual increase outside decompression.

Source?

The era of dogfighting ends early next year.

According to?

You cite vastly inferior missiles.
AARHs end dogfighting, all you need to do is search DCS videos. WT’s combat makes AARHs stronger than in DCS due to more ergonomic controls too…
But do try & dogfight when AMRAAMs come while insulting everyone that tells you how lethal they are… you’ll be food for them.

How are they inferior?

AARHs end dogfighting, all you need to do is search DCS videos.

DCS =/= WT. I get it, you’ve got no source.

But do try & dogfight when AMRAAMs come while insulting everyone that tells you how lethal they are… you’ll be food for them.

I will? Multipath.

One relies on host radar, the other doesn’t have the maneuverability due to being designed for bombers & missiles.

AMRAAM is on the other hand very range limited, seems like it’s got its own limitations… not mentioning how it’s a much slower missile than ER, with worse kinematics etc.

My point is, AMRAAMs won’t kill off WVR dogfights lmao, thinking they will is just dumb.

I’m done with with argument.

Range limitations don’t matter for ARHs like they do SARHs.
SARHs they matter because you have to maintain lock until they hit and the missile goes faster than the jet.
ARHs? Just swing a missile at a radar signature that’s not IFF.
Especially since we’ll be starting off with 80 - 100km AARHs from the start.

If the F-20 is gonna go to a nation other than the US as an event or prem (since it was a prototype), it should go to the Chinese/RoC TT, seeing as it was designed specifically FOR Taiwan in the beginning.

The F-5G was intended to meet Taiwanese requirements but by the time the project had evolved into the F-20, Taiwan had already moved on due to export restrictions. It was never evaluated by Taiwan.

It was still fully intended for them, and Taiwan hadn’t fully moved on yet. They tried to purchase the Tigershark again in 1982-1983, but were shut down by Reagan (which is when GD sent staff over to assist them with their Indigenous Defense Fighter). Giving the F-20 to Germany but not Taiwan or the US would pretty much be like giving the US the Legacy Harrier, and withholding it from Britain.

The Tigershark is the only trial plane I really feel this strongly about due it sitting in a very grey area for the game.

I’d be perfectly fine if Germany got the trialed F-15B (seeing as the F-15B is already in-game), or hell, maybe one of their prototypes that they had written armament plans for.

However, if the Tigershark is seen as the only choice, then it should also be added to both Taiwan and the US, as well as any other country in-game that trialed it. It’s not like the one Germany trialed was even a specific variant, either. Numerous countries trialed that exact airframe, each having their own flags and roundels painted over the airframe.

It doesn’t make sense because Switzerland has an independent and significant military industry separate from the Germans while also being capable of working as an independent tree. Germany can be filled up with trialed vehicles.

Says the guy that said the 2A7V is not a huge and wont make much difference. Sorry but your opinions are just plain wrong

So do Hungarians from the Italians (Hungary is in fact closer to Germany than it is to Italy), or the Finnish from the Swedes.

What’s your point?

while also being capable of working as an independent tree

How? Their best ground vehicle would’ve been a Leopard 2AC, i.e a vehicle inferior to the 2A5, at best a BR 11.0 MBT, and we’re likely to have 12.0 soon with the newest Rank 8 vehicles moving there.

Any way to get the Tigris added to Germany also?

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Yeah no switzerland doesnt work as an independend tree. Its best split between france and germany

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France by itself has 0 reason to need Switzerland, their air tree is actually fully capable of supporting their ground tree now, and in the near future.

The only jet that’s French that was in Swiss service is the Mirage 3C/S, something that they already have (and could be easily omitted if the tree is added to Germany), we’re looking for top tier additions, not 10.3 additions after all.

I never excluded that it’d be a possibility. Simply that it doesn’t make sense.

Top tier isn’t everything, there is a whole tree attached to it….

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