That just further illustrates my point actually.
War Thunder has grown massively, massively fast. There has been so much focus about adding more and more stuff, that the old system - which was functional for what the game used to be - is beginning to crack at the seams.
Italy should never have been an independent tree. Gaijin is implicitly admitting it by pairing it with a subtree with questionable links, since the Axis period is much shorter than the time when they were on two sides of the Iron Curtain.
In fact, we should have moved past nation-based trees a while ago in my opinion.
I know it’s good for marketing to have more countries in the game, but there are ways to do this without setting yourself the impossible task of giving ten (and maybe more in future) different trees a viable lineup at as many BRs as possible.
This is the root of more issues of WT than people realise, from compression to balance to the matchmaker.
What led us here was a chain of suboptimal, ad-hoc business decisions. Placing the KF41 in the Italian tree exclusively is another one of these business decisions, therefore arguing about the pretexts is useless: you’re focusing on the finger and not the moon.
Well, it’s the criterion used for many other vehicles in game. Although again, Gaijin sets up and undoes its own rules as it sees fit. But you can’t be shocked when that arbitrariness upsets people.
You’re basically saying that it’s fine for them to get a lazy unique selling proposition for Hungary with the KF41, because they were too lazy to give the subtree a non-copy paste version of the T-72? I don’t think that’s a reasonable expectation to have, mate. These are both questionable things they’ve done.
The Toldi and Nimrod would make it more unique. And having an exclusive on the 2S1 as well as the KF41, if that really was the idea.
No matter how you slice it, their implementation is not internally consistent.
I swear I will never understand this argument. Why? Why do we pretend that progressing through a tree is a chore, when it’s literally just playing the game?
Fiat 6614. R3. Freccia. Zrinyi in the tech tree. Turan. These vehicles exist. Are they not worth unlocking? Do you really think the Italian tree is boring? And this boredom is somehow remedied by just one vehicle?
What Italy lacks is quantity, I don’t see anything wrong with quality or interesting designs…
I’m pretty much the opposite to your preferred playstyle, I only play WW2 stuff, so for me this isn’t a “personal” thing. I won’t be playing the KF41 no matter what tree it shows up in. I’ve only been following this discussion in the context of being interested in the upcoming update. I love the game and it’s interesting for me to follow stuff that happens even in parts of the game that I don’t play myself.
Like I said, I think the core of the issue here is the way Gaijin goes about doing stuff like this. For example, if you really need to arm-twist players into playing Italy by dangling the KF41 prize… that means there’s a game design issue. Arm-twisting is not a reasonable fix for poor game design.
Yeah.
War Thunder is pokemon for machinery of war. Even more so than balance or gameplay (god knows we need new game modes), the emphasis is very much on “catching 'em all”. For that reason alone I am a lot more open to paper vehicles and blueprints than players of this game usually are, but I wish it was done under consistent standards.
That is precisely why it’s not surprising at all that exclusivity clauses get people up in arms.
The reason the Puma doesn’t get fixed, by the way, circles all the way around to what I said at the beginning. When the priority is always adding more stuff, fixing old stuff becomes deprioritised.
I think people were fine with it showing up in the Italo-Hungarian tree first. It’s only when it was ruled out even long term that frustrations boiled over.
I think they’ve been trying. There are vehicles whose errors were correctly bug-reported in 2019 and that are still waiting to be changed.
Maybe once Gaijin runs out of vehicles to add, they’ll go back and look at all this for real.