Lets talk about the state of Germany

[AurenKarach]

@coffee_can-psn

, I wonder why ground rb isn’t more popular

It’s the most popular game mode in WT…

[Scärlett]

@TT33a

It is a lot more than two years. You mention the situation with the post-war vehicles but the problem is bigger than that. Even the wartime 1939-1945 vehicles are severely lacking. We never received our best or newest vehicles. It seems like the majority of the wartime German vehicles are deliberately and perpetually stuck at circa 1943 configurations or earlier. Since the release of this game, over 10 years ago, we have been stuck with:

no +1943 Arado Ar 196 A-5 (WT’s A-3 is rare, early model)
no +1943 Arado Ar 440 A (Oberleutnant Thierfelder was extremely enthusiastic about this aircraft)
no +1945 Blohm & Voss BV 155 C (finalized/definitive production model unlike WT’s poor choice & implementation of the stopgap 155 B)
no +1943 Dornier Do 24 T-2
no Dornier Do 215 B of any type
no +1943 Dornier Do 217 K-2, K-3, M-11, R-1
no +1942 Focke Wulf Fw 189 A-2, A-4 (WT’s A-1 is rare, early model)
no +1944 Focke Wulf Fw 190 A-9
no +1944 Focke Wulf Fw 190 F-9, F-10, etc
no +1943 Focke Wulf Fw 190 G of any type
no +1942 Focke Wulf Fw 200 C-4, C-6, C-8 (WT’s C-1 is an extremely rare, early development model)
no +1944 Heinkel He 111 H-20, H-21, H-22, H-23
no +1944 Heinkel He 177 A-6, A-7
no +1944 Heinkel He 274 A
no +1944 Heinkel He 277 B
no +1944 Heinkel He 219 A-6 (anti-Mosquito model)
no +1945 Henschel Hs 132 B (dive bomber)
no +1942 Junkers Ju 86 R-2 (extreme altitude bomber)
no +1943 Junkers Ju 87 D-4 (torpedo bomber)
no +1943 Junkers Ju 87 D-7, D-8
no Junkers Ju 88 A-4/Torp or A-17 (torpedo bomber)
no +1943 Junkers Ju 88 A-13, A-14
no +1944 Junkers Ju 88 G-6, G-7
no +1943 Junkers Ju 88 H-2
no +1943 Junkers Ju 88 P of any type
no +1943 Junkers Ju 88 R-1 (souped-up Ju 88 C-6)
no +1944 Junkers Ju 88 S-1, S-2, S-3
no +1944 Junkers Ju 188 S
no +1944 Junkers Ju 388 K
no +1944 Junkers Ju 388 M (torpedo bomber)
no +1945 Junkers Ju 287 A
no +1944 Junkers Ju 290 A-7, A-8, B-1 (Fw 200 successor)
no Messerschmitt Bf 109 E-4/N (DB 601N engine)
no +1945 Messerschmitt Bf 109 K-14
no +1945 Messerschmitt Me 263 A
no +1943 Focke Achgelis Fa 223
no +1942 Panzerkampfwagen II Ausf. J
no +1943 Panzerkampfwagen II Ausf. L
no +1943 Leichte Feldhaubitze 18/2 auf Fahrgestell Panzerkampfwagen II (Sf) (Wespe)
no Panzerkampwagen 38(t) Ausf. G (final 38(t) tank model)
no +1943 Panzerjager 38(t) mit 7.5 cm Pak 40/3 Ausf. M (Marder III M)
no +1944 Aufklarer auf Fahrgestell Panzerkampfwagen 38(t) mit 7.5 cm KwK 37 L/24
no +1945 Jagdpanzer 38(t) in final configuration, no Jagdpanzer 38(t) Starr, no Jagdpanzer 38(d)
no +1943 15 cm Schweres Infanteriegeschutz 33/1 auf Selbstfahrlafette 38(t) (Sf) Ausf. K (Grille)
no +1944 15 cm Schweres Infanteriegeschutz 33/2 auf Jagdpanzer 38(t) (Sf)
no +1944 Sturmgeschutz III Ausf. G (WT’s Stug III G is a May 1943 example with weaker features)
no +1944 10.5 cm Sturmhaubitze 42 Ausf. G (WT’s StuH 42 is a May 1943 example with weaker features)
no +1944 Sturmgeschutz IV
no +1944 Jagdpanzer IV Ausf. F (WT’s JP IV is a Jan 1944 prototype with weaker features, not the mass produced, 80 mm thick one)
no +1944 8.8 cm Pak43/1 auf Geschutzwagen III/IV (Sf) (Nashorn) (WT’s Nashorn is a 1943 example with weaker features)
no +1944 15 cm Schwere Panzerhaubitze auf Geschutzwagen III/IV (Sf) (Hummel)
no +1944 Sturmpanzer IV mit 15 cm StuH 43 Ausf. IV (Brummbär) (WT’s Brummbär is an extremely rare Ausf. I configuration)
no +1944 Jagdpanther Ausf. G2 (WT’s Jagdpanthers are early G1 examples)
no +1943 SdKfz 250 Ausf. B (neu) of any type (250/8, 250/9, 250/10)
no +1944 SdKfz 251/21 Ausf. D with 20 mm MG 151/20 (WT’s 251/21 is an earlier 15 mm MG 151/15 example)
no +1943 8 cm Raketen-Vielfachwerfer
no +1944 15 cm Panzerwerfer 42 auf Sf (WT’s Panzerwerfer is an incorrect, earlyish mix and match chimera with no perceptible Ausführung)
no +1944 15 cm Panzerwerfer 42 auf sWS (successor to Panzerwerfer 42)
no +1944 PzSpWg P204(f) mit 5 cm L/60 (WT’s P204(f) is an earlier 5 cm L/42 example)
no +1943 Schwere Panzerspahwagen 8-Rad mit 7.5 cm StuK 37 L/24
no +1945 3 cm Flakvierling Flakpanzer IV Zerstörer 45
removal of the 3.7 cm Flakzwilling auf Panther Fahrgestell (for no good reason since chassis/weapons existed)
no Flammpanzer flame tank of any type (early, mid, or late-war)
no +1944 late captured Beutepanzer of any type (no 76 mm M1 Sherman, no 85 mm ZiS-S-53 T-34, no IS-2, no Su-85, no Su-100, no Sherman Firefly, no Panzerkampfwagen P40 737(i), no Sturmgeschutz M43 mit 75/34 851(i), no Sturmgeschutz M43 mit 75/46 852(i), no Sturmgeschutz M43 mit 105/25 853(i)…)
no +1944-45 late configured major ships such as the 1944 Admiral Hipper, 1945 Lützow, 1945 Admiral Scheer, 1943 Scharnhorst (final config prior to sinking), or 1944 Tirpitz

that’s true i find it weird why not adding any on these in the list like the missing so many.

Germany need new fighters like :
Me 262 HG I
Me 262 HG II this fighter could be good against Su-9 and kika unlike normal Me 262
Fw 190 D-14 better than Fw 190 D-13 thanks to new engines
Fw 190 D-11
Me 262 A-1/U5 ( just a normal Me 262 with 6 mk 108 instead of basic 4 )
BF 109 K-6
Bf 109 K-14 am not sure if was built
Heinkel He 177 B-5 ( better in every way than the normal He 177 A-5 in game )
Heinkel He 177 A-6, A-7 am not sure of the A-6 was built but the A-7 would be also good bomber if snail added the better engines.
many Ar 234 C-3N / C-5 / C-6 / C-7

it’s sad Ar 234 with m151 pod was premium and germany got no new or updated Ar 234 models for old Ar 234 😭

[Leo2A6EX-live]

@Scärlett

Bf 109 K-14 am not sure if was built

Evidence for it is kinda all over the place but most put it as not built or unable to prove

[Scärlett]

true it’s like the Fw 190 D-15 with DB 603EB engines it’s hard to find trusted sources.

[coffee_can-psn]

yeah I don’t understand why the ussr gets 1 of 1 ulta rare planes just get added to the tt but German or others are missing, yak3u for example

[Scärlett]

when was the last time germany got a a good fight in WWII or new jet it was years ago

so many suggestion and options available but no none get chosen or get added after many years.

even bombers Germany could have really good bombers best one is He 177 A-5 they could get

all of them are suggested and passed.

He 277 / Junkers Ju 390 / Ju 287

Ju 488 V3
the most pretty bomber from all of them very handsome bomber 😻

germany need new bombers like the Ju 288c is only for GE and He 177 don’t have their SC 2500 bombs which is weird to.

Dornier Do 317 B

Dornier Do 317 B

poll The Dornier Do 317 B was the final evolution of the Do 17/215/217 series. Equipped with the powerful DB 610 engine, it was one of the contenders of the Bomber B specification along with the Arado Ar 340, the Focke Wulf Fw 191, the Henschel Hs 130, & the Junkers Ju 288. The Bomber B specification called for an aircraft featuring a pressurized cabin, remote controlled defensive armament, a radius of action sufficient to encompass the entire British Isles from bases in France & Norway, & a max…

and good also the Ar 440 A

Arado Ar 440 A

poll The Arado Ar 440 A was the final evolution of the Ar 240 series. Equipped with the powerful DB 603 engine, it was a development of the previous Arado Ar 240 zerstörer. The generally unsatisfactory characteristics revealed by the Ar 240 and the difficulties experienced by Arado Flugzeugwerke in its attempts to rectify the shortcomings of the aircraft led the design team to consider, at the beginning of 1942, more drastic measures. While every effort was expended in eradicating the defects st…

am so excited to see this added it one the strongest DB 603 engines the DB 603G

i really hope they foucs again on WWII past years main focus was cold war + like girl WWII players exist to

i hope i be alive when these Vehicles be added would be so awesome to see them

[AspectOfTheRAGE]

Some time later and uuh, I would just like to add something rather amusing;

Rheinmetall AG - 120 mm DM 53 KE Cartridge

What conclusions you draw from this is up to you :)

Aside from the ERA part, the data also shows that DM 53’s ballistics and thus penetration are underperforming;

Rh 120 L/55 Cannon, V0 = 1750m/s:

1km, 0° Obliquity, Ve = 1695m/s, Line-Of-Sight Perforation:

Spoiler: full calc

1km, 60° Obliquity, Ve = 1695m/s, Line-Of-Sight Perforation:

Corresponding Plate-Thickness perforated: 369.7mm

Spoiler: full calc

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Rh 120 L/44 Cannon, V0 = 1670m/s;

1km, 0° Obliquity, Ve = 1615m/s, Line-Of-Sight Perforation:

Spoiler: full calc

1km, 60° Obliquity, Ve = 1615m/s, Line-Of-Sight Perforation:

Corresponding Plate-Thickness perforated: 351.5mm

Spoiler: full calc

Note: Dimensions for the penetrator are the same as those used ingame currently.

Using the ingame ballistics-chart, we can see that the residual-velocity at 1km is;
Too low by 10m/s on L/55 (Should be 1695m/s Ve)

Too low by 7m/s on L/44 (Should be 1615m/s Ve)

[AspectOfTheRAGE]

Well… not that much later and it got even better :)
https://web.archive.org/web/20150205001451/http://defmunintl.com/KE_DM63.html

120mm%20KE%20DM63-DM53A1_DMI.pdf

uh huh… double-reactive armour… and the method of defeating it ;)

Surely they just didnt know T-80U existed by then, they only did firing trials against it ~2 decades earlier.

Brochure is from February 2014 or earlier as it’s the first archival-date of this brochure.

Edit:
More “clear marketing lies” for y’all

f817a058408f8aad00cbb1a9300eb40a511f.pdf

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2013_Rheinmetall_IDEX_120mm_Ammunition.pdf

Spoiler: Embed Press-Release

Surely this means it will fail to defeat K5 2km below it’s effective combat-range, right? :)

[Leo2A6EX-live]

Marketing lie

[J_ackal]

Since when does it not pen k5 in game?

[CodyBlues]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/1xhiujq/snail_mine_leak_2026_october/

So Swiss tanks are being delayed due to French kickback?

This is absolutely insane if true. They claim they are the most hated nation but only the French can wine so hard they get an entire tech tree delayed. I knew that’s why it took so long to actually get the Swiss sub tree.

There was no pushback when France got leopards(and now nearly every nation has the same or even better versions of) but Germany finally getting some unique vehicles is too much.

They won’t give East German or west German US vehicles because they are historical but copy paste and finally getting something unique is a no go. At this point Germany only gets cool things as event vehicles.

[Leo2A6EX-live]

@CodyBlues

So Swiss tanks are being delayed due to French kickback?

I don’t think it’ll be long before that actually add swiss ground.

[Sandsmann]

@CodyBlues

This is absolutely insane if true. They claim they are the most hated nation but only the French can wine so hard they get an entire tech tree delayed. I knew that’s why it took so long to actually get the Swiss sub tree.

Just remember the Korea’s where originally leaked to be planned sub trees and the whining about it got that cancelled entirely for a dedicated tree instead.
Germany wouldn’t be the first nation to get a sub tree delayed/denied assuming the thing about the French pushback is even true which i doubt it is since French players are generally ignored by the devs.

[MiGoon_Fox-3]

@Sandsmann

French players are generally ignored by the devs.

Rafale fanboys would like to disagree

[H_ngma]

No man you dont understand. Those 133.7 buffs were totally necessary on the release Rafale. Would have been unflyable otherwise. /s

[Nowel]

@MiGoon Fox-3

Rafale fanboys would like to disagree

The exception that proves the rule, just look at the the ground tech tree, full of holes and the most pyrrhic impementation of a sub tech tree so far

[CodyBlues]

There is an actual cultural problem with adding the Koreans to the Japanese. They do not get along in real life, and you would be an alienating two large groups of people.

It’s much more problematic then not adding the Swiss because the French are angry.

[Sandsmann]

@CodyBlues

There is an actual cultural problem with adding the Koreans to the Japanese. They do not get along in real life, and you would be an alienating two large groups of people.

The leak said the Americans where getting the south and the Chinese where getting the north.

[PlayedStatue626-live]

I mean that leak also said there would be a conglomerate Eastern European tree with Romania despite it being a part of Italy’s TT for a long while (and also how insanely large that tree would be when fitting Ukraine, Romania, Poland, Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia in one).

[CodyBlues]

My mistake. I thought I read it was going to Japan.

I haven’t seen anything reversed on adding north and South Korean, they will will probably be added eventually