wtf is your point… The damn thing is a model in kubinka.
My point is about the fucking inside and technology in it. learn to read before posting one sentence answeres
And your picture still only shows the incomplete hull and turret in shape as far as i am concerned, as there is not a single obj 906 in existance which has a full hull and fully operational turret
Even if these vehicles came back, they will not fill any gaps. They are 6.7, 6.7, and 6.3. This is all currently occupied with vehicles that can perform on par or better than them. I agree that they “look” fantastic. But as of current I don’t think they need to or will come back.
Frankly, minors need Gaijin to add the myriad of vehicles that still fit the metric. You can ask someone from any dedicated thread about their respective nation and they will be more than happy to show you what can still be added following Gaijin’s current metric. There is also the issue that not all gaps will be filled and it will be more trouble than it’s worth to try to accomplish that.
I don’t have a major concern about powercreep. Ultimately, my opinion about exclusion of blueprint vehicles is a matter of preference in regards to this game. If the game changes course and adds them? So be it, I won’t be leaving over something trivial as long as it’s decently communicated.
whats the point of reading something that has no reference to it… this is another one, again the russians claims that they built 2 prototypes and the hull in both seem to be full made… this is miles aways form an sketch, which is everything there is form the tiger 105 not even mention the panther 2’s turret
When did I mention any of the Tiger IIs or Panthers?
Are you perhabs confused? In no way did I ever make any comments on the Tiger II 105 or Panther II. I only ever commented on a suggested principle of “working parts and technology assorted in a logical and working manner”
And russia claims they build 6 prototypes of the last series and at least 6 prior to that.
Yet the one in Kubinka shares almost nothing with the last 6 yet is said to be one of them.
So I do not know what you are on about. You are talking rubbish as far as I am concerned
same could be said about you, prototypes quite often arent made all equally, specially if you try to made a hull form a completely new material, this hapens all of the times, so there is a quite valid argument behind the russian claims, that being sade even if the kubinka mode for whatever reason is a reproduction, doesnt automatically means that those prototypes never existe, as they are quite ofthen scraped afther the proyect ends…
there isnt really a logical way to fit an 105 in a tiger 2 turret without redisigning it, even less with a 4 man turret as it has in game…
I think the Panther II kind of does:
Now, don’t get me wrong, I do fine without, and many more tech trees have needs and priorities that are actually urgent, whereas this is more along the lines of “it would be nice”.
It’s probably accentuated by my personal perception, I really like all Panthers (and do quite well in them) except the F. It might well be my limit, but I don’t really enjoy it, and that’s at 6.0. It’s in my 6.3 lineup but I almost never use it there, and I’d never even remotely consider using it at 6.7 and above.
For the Tiger II 105, yes, as it is, it doesn’t really fill a gap. That’s why I mentioned BR changes along with design changes. There are plenty of Soviet and American heavies at and around 7.0 and 7.3, and it’d be nice to have an equivalent in other tech trees too (more or less what I was saying when talking about the “Korean War” BR: tanks that were built after 1945, but with the lessons of WW2 in mind, and which understandably only a few countries actually were in a position to design and build).
But again, not saying this is a need or anything. Just something I’d like to see!
No argument there. That’s why the top of my list of requirements was “if a real vehicle exists, it always gets precedence”. And Gaijin’s leaving out tons of vehicles from minor trees and even subtrees (cough cough Hungary).
But you’ll still have gaps, it’s almost inevitable. The P43 example I cited doesn’t really have a domestic Italian alternative/equivalent that was actually built. I’d prefer that to transplanted American vehicles.
I think there’s room for that eventually. Once the race for present day is over, and once the missing vehicles from the past are finally added to their tech trees, you could be in a position to look at what’s missing and say, ok, let’s see if the next content drop can be fleshed out with a good speculative design or two.
Looks like the mother of all TT gaps. The Panther II at 6.7 is badly needed. Especially since the Leopard I got nerfed to 8.0 and now has trouble facing stabilized tanks with thermals.
Yes, we need all original 3 more than ever.
Let’s not exaggerate, other trees have it way worse, and we have no shortage of tanks to bring… although 7.3 is a little empty after the (much needed) decompression.
Leo1 should imho always have been 7.7. It was ridiculous at 7.3, I say it as a German main. It contributed to the above average uptiering rates of 6.7 too because everyone was at that lineup.
Since 8.0 is basically the old 7.7, its BR is fine, and will get even better once the next set of BRs are decompressed.
Why did puma ifv gets a nerf this update? They added ammo filler…
Leo 1 is fine at 8.0, compare it to the T-54 1951. Issue is the lack of tanks either side.
Leo protos would be good for below 8.0 and the 1A1 would be nice for 8.3, as it’s stabilised.
Absolutely. Should have been 7.7 ages ago, and 8.0 is basically the new 7.7 after the decompression. It was laughable at 7.3.
Yes. That’s sort of what I was getting at. Not all countries, not even major countries, have an uninterrupted production of AFVs, and obviously Germany has a big gap in between the end of the war, and the Leopard. Even its prototypes.
This is obviously true of other tech trees as well. Building tanks wasn’t exactly Italy’s priority in the late 1940s.
I don’t know enough about the prototypes that competed for the final design selection. I know a lot more about German WW2 AFVs than I do postwar. But would they really be suitable at lower BRs? Because just going by what I expect the development process could have been like, I suspect that they would share the same overall traits as the final design, no? Emphasis on mobility, virtually zero armour, low reload times, lolpen ability. If you have a “worse Leopard” it could maybe go to 7.7, but really, that doesn’t sound like the sort of vehicle that should routinely meet end WW2 stuff to me. It inevitably powercreeps them.
The real design gap is between 1945 and 1955. Soviet, American (and to a degree Swedish, see the Krankvagn) tanks were still being designed with WW2 lessons in mind. T-400-100, the early T-54, all the late American heavies etc. I’d like to see a couple equivalents for Germany (and a few other tech trees), even if they are speculative (Ho Ri is a good example).
Like I said, I realise this isn’t a priority whatsoever, I realise it’s subjective, I realise many players are against the idea. It’s just my personal preference. :)
“once” like they plan on doing it
I think they will tbh. As more vehicles are introduced and they are less paranoid about queue times being affected by it. It’ll be too slow and inconsistently implemented, but I think it will come.
Queue times have never been a legitimate argument by them though, it’s always been their way of distracting the community. They don’t want to decompress for other reasons.
Yes because there are 2 leo prototypes (4 in total) with only 90mm cannons. They would be similar to the ru251 and probably would be 7.3 aswell.
Absolutely. Should have been 7.7 ages ago, and 8.0 is basically the new 7.7 after the decompression. It was laughable at 7.3.
But the leo 1 should get the same moment of inertia of the other leo1s. It has a much higher moment of inertia and looses much more speed if you turn.
This was datamined that they nerfed the leo 1 this way
Is it possible to vote for a referendum? This will happen again if no actual actions are taken
One that includes return of the original 3 German Tanks preferably.
And why was my favourite German TD ruined The Jagdpanther but not the G1 the G2 l think it was , it had late model panther exhausts and the zoom on the sights was 9.3 x , Ive barely used it since they changed it. At the same time the panzer iv 70/v sights with a from the late model panther sights which have a good zoom rate (9.3x ?) to something similar to stug iiig sight zoom (5X)
l hope that is possible , even better just put the good versions in the game