and don’t forget the helicopter detection sensor, already reported a thousand times.
There is a capricious and very inconsistent handling of sources by Gaijin.
For some things you don’t need sources, for others you do.
In short, they adjust the BR movements of the vehicles based on the needs of their balance needs. What I just said is very good, what is wrong is justifying your “balance” whims with sources, only when it suits you.
When they want, they make a nerf and suddenly make the font appear “magically”. Furthermore, the value of these sources that they provide is often controversial, especially in the field of defense, where everything is always kept secret and the researchers are not professional historians, but rather enthusiasts of the subject.
The other day a mod asked us to present the manual for the Leopard 2A7V… it is almost implausible, especially when the photo speaks for itself.
The first 3 TAM prototypes that were made were built before the Begleitpanzer 57, the vehicles were well undergoing testing trials and the 3rd prototype of the TAM was built before the Begleitpanzer was shown in meppen.
I’m going to share some secondary sources that piece together what I am trying to point out.
The vehicle was conceptualized to be built on the Marder hull , ive shared these sources on the old forum. But unfortunately the marder hull suffers from stress fracture when you put a 57mm let alone a 105mm gun on top of it .
Now here are the same secondary sources David Bowie posted on the report expect my version of the source is about a year earlier, they are using IDR 1979, mine is a 1978 version. Notice how they are practically the same word for word.
Here is where things start to make a bit more sense as long if you spot the discrepancies or at least notice differences in information being reported on .
Notice how it says trials , probably means the vehicle is undergoing all the good testing every vehicle manufacturer should do to make sure stuff works as it should .Already it mentioned the vehicle used what appears to be the 720hp engine as its found on all the production TAM’s .
Here is a even later edition that has basically the same info and a bit extra, this is from 1983-84 meaning the vehicle was for sale and saw development well into the mid 80s most likely . There was even a planned dedicated SPAA version with a radar planned , which I do have blueprints on and development pictures from the project but info on it is scarce and not worth making a suggestion.
Now I highly doubt that the information Jane posted in all their editions would carry over the same mistakes . I firmly believe the brochure which is considered a primary source to a certain extent is outdated and based on the initial concept that the vehicle was going to be using a Marder chassis and its engine .All the earlier editions of Janes and other secondary sources probably based their info on what was found in the brochure and presented to the press or interested parties.Considering how late into the mid 80s info on this vehicle kept being published the vehicle was further updated from its first initial showing in 1977. At some point the vehicle must have used the 720hp engine , unfortunately the only existing documents that you can consider a primary source is probably outdated compared to the final prototype that was built and tested .
I want to point out the the weight being 28.5 t in the brochure but later sources show it was 30t
In game its weight is currently 30t which I am going to bug report since the 2 primary sources clearly list it supposed to weight 28.5 t . Notice how in the last Janes publication also the vehicle was considered a demonstration prototype and not undergoing trial.
I strongly believe the vehicle used the 720hp engine and the nerf is unjustified .
Not to mention that almost all sources sey that it’s capable of using TOW or HOT atgms and not only TOW also in some sources they mentioned that the gun is capable of firing APFSDS plus all sources agreed that the vehicle top speed is between 75 Km/h to 78 Km/h and not 71 Km/h for the helicopter warning we have this as proof of its existence
@BerdoAirlines
Well helicopter detection sensors aren’t in-game period, so if and when they come I expect all the vehicles that have them IRL to get them.
As for APFSDS… I don’t know if a 10.0 Begleit would be great; very well could be, and I just don’t know.
HOT missiles might keep the Begleit 9.3 though.
you still have more first stage ammo, higher fire rate, atgm, better reverse, btw only the ags have actually been moved up for having a crewless turret, and you also have the vilkas and the freccia at the same br.
it is a big advantage tbh the atgm reloads fairly quickly and has saved me more than i can count but the extra pen on the HOT missile would def help specially with the damage i’ve noticed I-TOW damage its pretty low
