No, BMP-2M started at 9.0 - the horde played it so badly Gaijin lowered it to 8.7
a useless one
Tech Trees of other nations seem to be treated as tech / unit pool of the entire nation. Including prototypes, export vehicles, test beds, soon to be introduced future stuff, regular service units of the armed forces. Sometimes via subtree even vehicles from close allies.
This also applies for Germany, but at high - top tier this suddenly stops. Best tech is taken to other ingame nations.
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oh I dont remember that anymore, when was that?
I only remember it being 8.7 for way to long.
In May of 2020, but iirc it lasted like a patch at 9.0
The rusoids played it so badly it went down after a single patch.
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no wonder I dont remember that if it was that short at 9.0.
then I will correct my statement by saying it was 8.7 for a long time and is now 10.0.
It’s true, but when he went up he received new ammunition. We didn’t even have that luck.
true true
for what i know BMP2M dosent even have apfsds in real life
But was quite funny. First everyone was relieved and cheered, cause finally - after month/years - this thing got bumped up the BR ladder. Lasted until the patch rolled out and everyone realized that it was worse than ever. Getting darts for this fast firing 30mm AC outweighted the BR bump by far.
I hope when the Puma with Spikes comes it will not only have two like the KF-41 rn.
@FurinaBestArchon you found a source saying it should carry more iirc, right?
I mean when they increased the BR I thought it was still to low and should be at least 10.7 but you cant make russian mains favorite toy harder to play.
No need to put any IFV above 10.3, they are far off the meta currently.
Most IFVs need to get down in BR by a notch, while 2M should be fine at 10.3.
What BRs are you looking at for what tanks
It doesn’t.
I don’t have definite numbers, it was just a idea.
But for example, here are some of the changes I would like to see:
- BMP-2M: 10.0 → 10.3
- PUMA: 10.0 → 9.0 or 9.3
- M3A3: 10.0 → 9.0 or 9.3
- Dardo: 10.0 → 9.7
- …
Of course, we would need to push top BR further up to be able to fine tune these numbers.
That being said, in my opinion best IFVs should be seen at BRs where tanks like T-80B, M1 or 2A4 reside, anything above that is really pushing it.
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I think you’re undertiered these vehicles quite a bit considering we’re finally getting some decompression in ground (flawed decompression but I think gaijin will figure that out pretty fast)
I’d just keep everything where it is rn honestly. Puma needs bug fixes and it’ll be great at 10.0. M3A3 and the other IFVs that rely on ATGMs need SACLOS ATGMS to be fixed from when they broke it.
Even before decompression I was of a opinion that most IFVs should be at around L/44 / T-72A range, with only exception being 2M.
In my opinion ATGMs are way inferior to darts and this is why I think they should drop down in BR even further. Additionally, higher up you go, mobility of most IFVs becomes on-par with MBTs at best (often subpar), which takes away from their efficiency and playstyle.
I don’t know what bug fixes you are referring to when mentioning Puma, but I don’t think it should be two BR steps higher than Begleitpanzer.
As M3A3 is concerned, it has to wait for it’s launcher to deploy, which locks it in a certain playstyle, so in my books it should have the lowest BR from IFVs I’ve listed above.
Even before decompression I was of a opinion that most IFVs should be at around L/44 / T-72A range, with only exception being 2M.
I can’t agree with that.
In my opinion ATGMs are way inferior to darts
Yeah, they are, but pre-nerf ATGMs were fine. They had a niche.
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Most IFVs will have troubles penetrating MBTs frontally with their autocannons, which means they have to flank in order to use their main gun effectively. I guess it’s not easy to flank when you aren’t even faster than MBTs, let alone other light vehicles.
One more thing, most ATGMs can’t be fired on the move, so that’s yet another limiting factor that won’t let you play aggressively.
I don’t know man, in my opinion IFVs shouldn’t be one of the slowest vehicles in the match.
Exactly, those vehicles got more niche higher you went.
I think that one BR step separating things like M3A3 and 2A4 just isn’t enough to describe how much more versatile and better latter vehicle is.