cough mig21 bis cough
cough f4f late cough
cough mla cough
cough Mig29 cough
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Man knows his history, love it.
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Still nothing for Germany chirp chirp
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What Germany needs is a new leader, one with a solution to this problem.
T-90A is bad though.
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The Rheinmetall Lynx situation is really what shows me Gajin’s attitude vs German community. Inventing some subtree rules to add it to Italy, a nation which has nothing to do with it, is a very unfair decision.
As the same happened for the Austrian Kürassier (SK-105) tank, it was added to both countries. France for the tech origin and Ger for the political connection. So why is this different here (and whats the political connection between Hungary and Italy, German ally giveaway, too)?
Why does this always happen to Germany, this top tier tech giveaway? Leopard 2A6 trashed away to Sweden. Rheinmetalls newest IFVs handed over to Italy. Why can’t we see something like this with the british Challenger 2E export version? Or the Australian Abrams? I guess soon Italy, Sweden, GB and more countries get more German tech added, while Germany gets an outdated tank every three years at top tier. Is is the tech tree of Germany or just the Bundeswehr tech tree?
Its similar to the removal of the four tanks. Unprecidented for all other nations. They can keep even most questionable blueprint units. Germany not. Even if there are very difficult to balance units, theey can keep them. Only the Ger Maus was ever removed due to balancing.
Other nations regularly get historic events and new avatars to unlock. Germany never so far. Not a single one. When will we see a pages of history event for Ger, with a German avatar to unlock?
Gajin please, why can’t you treat Germany as any other ingame nation? Why always this special rule making?
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The US and USSR has a ton of aircraft to add, which Gaijin is consistently adding (F16s, F14s, A10, Mig29, Su17, Yak141, etc…).
However, Germany (and France) who has a ton of ground vehicles to add, gets basically none of them. Then they drag their feet to add something to Germany and say “Here have an overdue copy paste, now shut up”.
I have literally managed to grind to top tier air and ground for both US and USSR, and within that whole time absolutely nothing was added to Germany rank 7 ground.
It feels like they’re taunting us by saying “Germany still has a lot of potential vehicles left to add” and then they decide to add an overdue and/or unnecessary copy paste to Germany instead of something actually German.
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I’m a german main who simply only has had the best versions of other nation vehicles for years!
What vehicles are we talking about?
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The US government has just authorized the sale of F-16s to Argentina.
Speaking of Germany here, I would like to know what you think about an Argentine subtree for Germany.
I think there are many Argentine vehicles with German participation that would be great to see in WT. This technology and design have German foundations, especially between 1945 and 1990, when Germany was quite restricted in its aerial development.
Some things we could see in that subtree:
I.Ae.35 Huanquero
I.Ae.24 Calquín
BCE. 1
FMA 21
I.Ae.22 DL
I.Ae.30 Nancú
I.Ae.37
IA 58A Pucara (B, C, D)
IA 58 Fenix
IA 66
I.Ae.27 Pulqui I
I.Ae.33 Pulqui II
IA 63 Pampa I, II, III and 2000.
Ae.MB1
Ae.MB2
MS.760 (manufactured by FMA under license)
M5 Dagger
M5 Finger
M5 Mara
A-4AR Fightinghawk
A-4 Skyhawk (P, C, Q and E)
Mirage IIICJ
Mirage IIIEA
SUE
SEM
MB.326
MB.339
EMB 312 Tucano
F-16A/B MLU Block 10 and 15 (tape 6.5)
F-86 F-30 and F-40 (mod)
VCLC TAM
TAM-A (prototype similar to TH-301)
VCA Palmaria
TAM SXXI
TAM 2CA2 (+ IP mod)
VCTP
DL-43 Nahuel
M4 Repowered 105mm
VC Patagon
VAPE 1 and 2
ARA Belgrano
ARA Rivadavia and ARA Moreno
Meko 180 and 360
etc
Others: P-3B Orion, P2V-5, SP-2H, S-2T, F-4, F-9, T34, T28, G.59, Spitfire, Meteor, Canberra, Lincoln and Lancaster and many more aircraft, some already in the game. Many of these have unique modifications.
You don’t have to add everything, but some things could be interesting to see.
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Well, its quite easy to answer
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Actually, Italy having Hungary is quite on the same level of as adding SK-105. Cause both things are kinda unjustified and SK-105 shouldnt have ever being added to German tree.
SK-105 is justified in the German tree. Argentina uses it and Argentine vehicles have been in the German TT for years.
Don’t ask why gaijin added the TAM to the German TT, that’s another discussion. I guess he wanted to represent Argentina, otherwise he would have added the TH-301.
The one that is not justified is the SK-105 of the French tree. It only occupies the barrel, the same one used on the AMX-13 105.
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Nope. Argentinian vehicles in German TT are only TAMs. TAM is bulit by german company on german IFV chassis. So TAM is fully justified to be there. SK-105 on the other hand is Austrian vehicle, built with french turret and gun and then sold to Argentina. So zero connection to Germany.
Technically the ho229 in game is a fake made up vehicle. (An amalgamation of all 3 prototypes) So there shouldnt be any issue adding bombs to it.
How much misinformation…
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TAM is built in Argentina, specifically for the needs of this country (2IP and 2C replaced all German optronics with Israeli ones, also in Argentina without German participation this time)
HF-24 Marut was designed by Kurk Tank in Argentina, financed by Argentina. He then sold his design to India, and it was built by India. We’re not going to say that Marut is Argentine, or much less German, are we? -
The Argentine Kurassier was brought to the A2 standard in Argentina, with Israeli technology, like the TAM SXXI. I don’t know what differences there will be with the Austrian.
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TH-301 was built in Germany. I repeat, the logical thing was to add only this model.
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The Kurassier’s turret is not French, only the design is French but it was modified. The SK is Austrian, except for the cannon, so there is no justification. If we continue with your logic, all Chinese MBTs are Soviet, and all tanks with L7 are British. Merkava is German by MTU.
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What? Argentinian MoD contracted GERMAN firm, which built a vehicle ON EXISTING MARDER CHASSIS. I havent said that Argentina havent assembled them at their local plant. If you like more, german company designed a tank for ARG, which was based on chassis of german IFV. Still, it doesnt change my statement, that TAM is justfied for German TT, cause there is obvious techological connection.
Again, obvious technological connection. And yes, Chinese tanks were in soviet TT until Gaijin introduced own Chinese TT. And yes, it was AMX-13-90 turret. Doesnt matter if its was modified or not, it has obvious and clear technological connection to France. So, again, literally half of the tank is made upon french bassis. As Austria havent got its own TT, its justified to be in French TT.
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Burden of proof buddy.
Okay, then post them. You claimed Germany has been receiving the best versions other nation’s vehicles, prove it.
Ohhhh yes, technological connection…
The same connection that the Swiss Hunter has with Germany. The same as the T90S with UK. The same connection of the Czech truck in the Soviet TT. Or the T80 with Sweden. Don’t be ridiculous.
Gaijin would have added the TH-301 to the German TT and TAM as an event vehicle.
SK makes as much sense in the German TT as the TAM. Neither of them belongs there. More than 75% of the vehicle was manufactured and assembled by TAMSE. 25% was German technology (optronics, radio and engine/transmission).
You are confusing assembling foreign technology with technology transfer, which implies acquiring the ability to develop it locally.
Much less TAM 2C or 2IP, which should be in the Israeli TT since only the engine/transmission is German technology.
Ask Gaijin why he added the TAM and not this vehicle.
Kpz TH-301 was designed and manufactured by Germany for Argentina. The Argentine version will have more than 2000 modifications compared to the German version.
Definition of technology transfer according to Robert Grosse:
Technology transfer is the process in which skills, knowledge, technologies, manufacturing methods, manufacturing samples and facilities are transferred between governments or universities and private companies to ensure that scientific and technological advances are accessible to a greater number of users who can further develop and exploit those technologies in new products and create value, processes, applications, materials or services.
Grosse, Robert (1996). “international Technology Transfer in Services”. Journal of International Business Studies 27:782.
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