I was talking to Furina earlier, I have (what believe to be) an easy way to fix/implement/code MUSS I might make a bug report adding the info in for.
In theory (i have to check/find the code to confirm), it should be possible to just use the Black Knights Iron fist APS code for the 360 detection/reaction system, and just change the effector from hard kill to the MUSS code? I have to look into it some more to confirm this tho.
would be nice, now we only need to it to stay invisible in the newly readded night battles as well xD
in theory, my method SHOULD work to solve that too.
Replacing the hardkill effectors with MUSS would make the IRCM dazzler only activate when something is fired at/near the Puma, and only in its direction as well.
Thats how i’m assuming itd work atleast, I could be wrong about the way the Iron Fist code works though, but I have to find it first lol
I assume the structural steel ones are the massive blocks on the front corners that look a lot like they should be armor.
Pumas base armor as someone has already mention is way too thin. Its labeled as 15mm of armor but even without a ruler you can tell the close up shots of the real thing has more like 25-30mm of armor.
The pumas ufp 5mm issue must have been a mistake on the bug reporters fault because in game theres a 5mm external plate, then a very hard to see 20mm composite screen, 8mm of rubber and finally 15mm of armor.
The LFP is probs the most wrong piece of armor on the Puma tbh. Not only does it not match its own visual model in-game, it doesnt match the IRL pictures of it in both thickness or composition.
Heres screenshots of my DM bug report to smin if you’re interested:
TLDR: The Puma LFP is likely missing around 85mm of RHA, with the front plate missing ~35mm of thickness and an ENTIRE 50mm plate missing from the armor model.
Also, regarding the UFP, I havent dug into it as much, but @FurinaBestArchon has, and shared this with me, credits to them:
I assume what this is trying to show is the entire ufp is supposed to be composite. Not quite sure what im supposed to take from it.
when we say the model needs to be remade we are speaking about all the internal stuff that you dont see XD, it is more work then just placing X there
The internatls seem to be fine but the base 15mm of armor is definetly wrong. That base armor is much wider than 1.5cm.
Not exactly sure what part of my comments your responding to.
meaned in general, like the UFP plate you dont see the thickness if i am not wrong, but definitly could be wrong
As far as i can see the different ufp plates all look visually different in terms of thickness so at least the visual model theres seems to be fine.
No, the model lacks the third and fourth layers.
As the model stands currently in game theres
5mm of rha/8mm of rubber/20mm composite screen/ 15mm of base armor. Thats 3 layers of actual armor.
So what is the 4th layer supposed to be.
Is this the UFP? Cus if so, that’s a wrong as hell layout. The 4th layer is above the above the engine and driver space btw.
So more like an overlap with the hull roof?
Gaijin does know, and that old forum report proves Gaijin’s penetration itself is correct.
I am curious about how it has correct penetration without alleged correct mass.
u got it completly wrong Alvis, we arent talking about the penetration, in war thunder the weight of the pentrator decides how much it will spall, more weight =bigger mass more spall. The heavier gajin makes the round the more post penetration damage it will do.
They did it already as well to balance the damage of the QN506, they gave it a weight increase in the round to increase its damage since its performance was to bad.
Another example all APFSDS for this Bradley 25mm weights 0,1g the same as the Puma 30mm and russian 30mm weights 0,1mm as well . Only the Chinese 30mm weights 0.13g to balance its damage because it performed so badly
Even if the penetration WAS wrong its still got better penetration than most other autocannons.
But as the puma relies entirely on its gun the damage is pretty painful.
