Lets Talk About The Object 279 Issue. Currently 5.8+ KDR on Average

[Zephoid]

The 279 has the hp/t of a medium and the reload of a medium. It also has the benefit of being able to potentially bounce rounds in a BR where almost everything OHK. Thats you ardvantage. Or did you think that heavies should have almost every advantage over mediums?

If i’m in 8.7 i shouldn’t be nearl invulnerable to -1BR. NO OTHER TANK is. Every KE shell of 7.7 cannot pen the 279 and many CE shells are still 300 pen.

The only tanks that can’t pen the Tiger H1 in a full downteir are churchills. Try again. Even then, the APHE of the NA-75 can pen the cupola and kill half the turret crew.

The KV220 is a russian premium that turns out, is also a problem. Literally another thread about the 220 on the front page. Probably a bad argument for you.

The maus is 20kph and a glacial turret rotation. Again, if you are going to get good protection, you need to have detractors that balance you out. The 279 has the opposite, with DOUBLE the reload speed of any historical document can turn under movement THREE TIMES faster than the T95E1 medium tank. Its an utterly fantasy model for the tank.

Chieftan is the best comparable tank to the 279 at 8.7 and 9.0. It has a similar weight, but far less HP/T compared to the 279 while both are armor dependant. Again, the 279 wins in nearly every category, often by large margins.

Tiger 2 vs 76mm sherman is literally what 6.7 has been since the beta. Tiger 2s have proven far less than the unkillable target you present. Turns out, being heavy, poor track traverse, loud, and having a flat turret face thats defeatable by the weakest APHE are weaknesses. Which, again, the 279 doesn’t have.

Look at the pen map of the french 120mm vs the 279 if you really think you have an argument. Then remember that the Loraine and AMX 50-105s are also 7.7 with worse guns. Or how about the 84mm on brit tanks. Maybe you think that the 120mm 480 pen Conqueror has a chance? Nope, pretty much nothing except a tiny ridge under the turret at point blank that nearly never OHKs on a 18s reload rate.

[Zephoid]

@VenomThanos

was at one point I thought it slightly deserved to be 9.0, remember that they temporarily buff the reload time after you run out of ready-rack ammunition? this is what made IS-7 suck even more because after firing 7 ammo your reload time is similar to KV-2’s.

May i introduce you to french tanks? With solid shells and 7 round ready racks and are literally CONSTANTLY upteired. The AMX50 was 6.7 on release, now 7.7 despite solid shot getting nerfed.

If you are taking 7 shots to kill a tank with a 130mm APHE… wtf are you playing. You have an 8s reload, your ready rack reload time is still rather quick.

[Zephoid]

Utter bullshit.

Please show me where that autoloader is. Hell, please show me how you physically can get that propellant charge into that breach as shown. Literally impossible. So this invisibe, invulnerable mechanism does what… just rams the shell. Nothing else? Hell, the AMX Foch had the same and gets a 19s reload.

There is a reason there are no images of the inside of the 279 turret. Physically impossible for said mechanism to exist in a 3 man turret of that dimension with ammo stowage.

[FlipAllTheTables]

@Zephoid

Please show me where that autoloader is. Hell, please show me how you physically can get that propellant charge into that breach as shown. Literally impossible. So this invisibe, invulnerable mechanism does what… just rams the shell. Nothing else? Hell, the AMX Foch had the same and gets a 19s reload.

There is a reason there are no images of the inside of the 279 turret. Physically impossible for said mechanism to exist in a 3 man turret of that dimension with ammo stowage.

If you want to believe that...

As I mentioned all the loader has to manually do is take the charge that has been provided by the autoloader and put it into the breech.

Not to mention I quite literally gave you a blueprint of the system.

You not understanding how it works does not mean it does not exist.

[БЕИ]

Dafug bro whoever said the IS-7 has trouble killing anything lol great assumption right there mate, maybe killing a single enemy with 7 ammunition is your thing, we aim for the nuke in a downtier match and 6 ammo in the ready rack is an inconvenience at the time unless you sit at the cap zone to refill. I hate to say it, but it starting to sound like a skill issue. Sure King Tiger do have comparable armor in its respective br should it be a full downtier, it still has a near-invulnerable hull with a very small turret cheek that could be penned by -.7/-1 enemies, so that still kind of not too far in comparison as you made it out to be, also 7.5 seconds reload which is 1.1 seconds faster than the Object 279 which is what makes it super deadly. I have no comments about 7.7 heavies as I do think they all suck lol but it doesn’t mean anything up there has to be sucked equally, like should we moved the IS-6 to 8.0 since it is a heavy tank with 44kph top speed and the same br we have this british tank named FV4202 with 35kph top speed?

[Zephoid]

Can’t get a nuke? tank not good enough and needs to remain utterly overpowered in a downteir. Great logic there, such awesome game balance.

turns out, having an invulnerable front hull but a weakpoint in your whole turret face isn’t a particularly significant fact on a heavy tank. people just… shoot the turret.

[БЕИ]

If you really have whatever it takes to get a nuke, then you would have figured out how to kill Object 279 and couldn’t be complaining about it being OP like it’s unkillable. if you can have no problem whatsoever killing a King Tiger with your 5.7/6.0 tanks, you shouldn’t have too much problem taking out the Object 279 with HEATFS or darts. Tomorrow maybe I’ll send you one if I’m happen to be in a good mood bro

[Zephoid]

The fuck is wrong with your brain? You are literally saying the tank is dominating downteirs nearly unchecked and still can’t understant why it should be upteired?

[БЕИ]

Most heavy tanks are slaying in a full downtier, what is your point?

[Hazeldsr]

British and american players have been shooting high pen apds and cheatfs at ww2 tanks for so long they forgot how to deal with a tank that has actual armor

[БЕИ]

That Zephoid guy up there must be the 7.3 Leopard 1 mains who got used to bullying ww2 tanks and now that his favorite tank has its br raised to where it belongs and started facing things it is supposed to face, of course he’s going be mad that the game ain’t as easy as before bro. He should at least be grateful that he dodged the bullets for so damn long lol

[Zephoid]

Ah yes, because every player is bad, not the tank is overpowered.

Or maybe ATGMs are very loud, easy to dodge, on AWFUL platforms, underperform in postpen, and are constantly being nerfed further. Now we have atgms that wobble in flight and atgm carriers that have their crosshairs offset from their target. I don’t understand this game’s obsession with nerfing the worst performing mechanics of the game after they ave been identified as bad (HE, HESH, APCR, APDS, AP (non HE), and ATGMs).

[Hazeldsr]

im not saying the players are bad im just saying that they don’t want to adapt. If there is a t28, t34 oder tiger2h downtiered you take a bomb and kill it as your first priority. Same as you focus the best player in the enemy team.

Whats so difficult doing the same with a russian heavy, they don’t have insane aa cover at that br, worse than other nations even.

APCR and APDS aren’t bad, once again players use them expecting to be able to ohk everything with a shot trough the center of the enemy tank when these are especially the rounds that trade damage for pen and damage for reload.

[Zephoid]

Nice straw man. Last 3 trees i’ve been grinding are french, then china, then some more brits. Go look at the old forum, i’ve been critical about the BR drop for years and advocating for the leo to be placed higher than completely inferor AMX30 that was at 7.7. You are the one advocating for curb stomping teams based on the mechanics of the tanks not the skill of the players.

[AlvisWisla]

Is Maus overpowered in a downtier?
Similar relative protection against 1.0 BR less than it.

[Zephoid]

I wonder why…

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Maybe because the way HE works is by seeking weak points. Because of the extremely high lower armor of the 279, its VERY resistant to bombs.

APCR and APDS ARE bad because you are shooting them rather than APHE against targets that can often re-crew in the same time as your reload rate. Killing one crewman a shot isn’t a viable way to play vs tanks that OHK you back with APHE.

[Zephoid]

Maus has a 220mm turret face, is HUGE, has a glacial turret rotation, arctic reload rate, and is loud as hell.

Again, the maus has DISADVANTAGES. the 279 operates like a MBT for almost all situations and has none of the detractors heavy tanks usually face. In a downteir, it curb stomps. In an upteir, its an average russian MBT with a bit more lethality and a bit less pen.

[БЕИ]

Talk about “skill of the players”, but proceed to avoid competition by suggesting something that gave you trouble should moved up so you are less likely to face it. Ok bro mentions skills but wants an easy way out lol

[Zephoid]

@Zephoid

APHE against targets tha

avoid competition? With what, the Chieftan? You think that its seriously the benchmark for the quality of tanks at 8.7? Man you are a strange person. Tank is obviously overperforming, you even talk about easily generating nukes with it. Did you consider i don’t want to face overpowered tanks every game? Did it cross your mind that i’m looking for… balance? Because even part of your own brain is acknowledgeing this thing isn’t on a level playing field.

[БЕИ]

I have dropped more nukes in the King Tiger in a downtier than in Object 279, I am getting nukes so much easier in a King Tiger downtier compared to Object 279, maybe King Tiger 7.7 confirmed bro. Instead of acknowledging the issues is the current matchmaking affected by player counts on specific br/country which constantly matches you up against +.7/+1 br opponents, you have to fixate on a heavy tank in a full downtier match, most heavy tanks slay in a full downtier, why should the Object 279 lose that ability just because you said so? (as if things it faced don’t reload as quickly and moves as quicky). Furthermore coming from someone who has so many skill issues thinking the Object is invincible LoL. Bro a heavy tank is a heavy tank, doesn’t matter if it strapped a fusion engine on it doesn’t suddenly lose that armor. It’s one of a kind in the br and there is no fair comparison to it, maybe there are other heavy tanks at 8.7 I didn’t know. I’ve killed this ufo thing every day in my DF105, most of them like to shoot me in the engine, and for some reason the 130mm is always stuck in the engine blocks while my crews in the turret still remain uninjured and allow it to fire every 5 seconds, some of them ufos took 6 hits before death while other die in the first shot to the ufp. I think the DF105 should move up to 8.7 because it’s super quick, murdering the T-55 variants (got a triple T-55 kills like four days ago) like they are trash tier tanks and also can solo the Object 279 which seems made it seems like a mediocre tank when you carry HEAT or HEATFS. Imagine calling people strange while the entire thread is flooded with your tears.