Let us disable enemy decorators and bushes

The fact that you need to play ~4 hours each day for over 2 months to buy a single bush, and do so during a SPECIFIC and TIME-LIMITED part of the year rather than whenever you want and in whatever combination makes getting bushes a practical impossibility through Battlepass unless you play an absurd amount of Warthunder.

Medium tasks can be awfully RNG and even rerolling (if you can afford the SL cost to do so, which depending on your chosen and preferred game modes - you might not. E.g.: If you fly ASB and play GRB) won’t necessarily give you something doable in less than 2 hours.

Oh, and let’s add to the above that it also forces you to play specific vehicles in specific game modes.

Imagine how viable it is to get 12 air kills in Air simulator battles during a weeknight evening. My best game ever I’ve came out at 11 kills for 1 hour and 12 minutes of gameplay where I was top of the leaderboard using A6M3 in a very highly populated game. This is the exception, not the norm, and I havn’t replicated it since.

And add that if you start with Easy tasks, you can’t start medium tasks until you begin a new match so even if you do end up with 12 as-fighter kills, you can’t cash in on it because you’re still doing the easy task hunting for those 5 critical hits (which in planes is basically 5 kills).

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Assists are basically impossible to guarantee and obtain. I’ve played games where I was top of the leaderboard for 60 minutes and got 0 assists despite participating in every dogfight that appeared. Meanwhile, other games where I’d need kills I’d shoot the rudder off of a spitfire and watch it spin into the ground and I get an assist. I shoot the wingtip off of a P51C, watch it spin into the ground and get an assist.

Kill bombers/strike craft is also RNG. I’ve played plenty of 60+ minute games without finding a single strike plane. Or you think you found a strike plane but it’s a bomber or vice versa.

Now you could say “just play GRB before going into ASB”

Let’s look at GRB’s tasks:

get 5 wins.

Assuming you’re an average player with 50% win rate, that’s play 10 games.

10 games = average match at 12 minutes = 120 minutes = 2 hours, not counting queue time.

Kill tanks using VEHICLE type - If you are playing a nation that lacks VEHICLE type at the BR bracket you play at, or the vehicle type is unusable you cannot do this. Italy and heavy tanks come to mind. Your only option is a premium vehicle!

Repair teammates - massively dependent on your team.

“Get Supporting Fire and win” - you need a competent squadmate AND win for it to count.

“Pioneer” - good luck getting it if you get 5 Battles or single-cap maps in a row. Even if you rush first cap, you need the enemy to decap the point and recapture it to qualify.

Battlepass tasks are absurdly specific and take a ridiculous amount of time to complete.

“But the challenges!”

Challenges require game modes you don’t play, nations you don’t have, ranks you don’t have. Like, a while back we had a BP task asking for ATGM kills vs PLAYERS. I have Rank 7 USA air. I don’t have Rank 7 USA ground. It was impossible to complete.

A lot of challenges also explicitly only work in Air RB and AB, not Air SB. So if I dare play ASB, I get zero BP progress towards challenges despite doing what the challenge requires of me (gunstrafing A.I SPAA with Stick & rudder and fighting your plane to do it in SB? Nah, doesn’t count. Pointing mouse at A.I howitzer that dies from .50 cals shot anywhere in their vicinity? Counts!)

You need to do them day after day after day to get RANK V battlepass unlocked which is level 57.

Level 57 requires 570 warbond progression points.

From log ins, you obtain 252 progression total if you log in every single day.

If you miss 13 days, it reduces to 182. If you miss another 13 days (ergo: you started working the battlepass 1 month late because you were busy with life), it goes down to 126.

Let’s go with 252 where you religiously log in to WT every single day. This means, absolute best case, we need 318 battlepass points from tasks.

Let’s assume we do 15 Special Tasks (IIRC you need 15 for bushes): 15x5 leads to us still needing 243 battlepass points.

243 battlepass points with 5 points each day (disregarding the absurd amount of time special tasks themselves require, we assume we got lucky and we only needed to kill planes in ASB for special task and all our battlepass tasks are killing planes as well).

243 / 5 = 49 days of logging in, playing for 2 hours assuming we get optimal matches with enough players to kill that last long enough but not so long that our Easy task drags on to 2 hours itself before we even begin our medium task.

Those 49 days must be done in a very specific, strict part of the year that you cannot do on your own pace.

God forbid you want to play sth else during those 49 days. God forbid you want to play Warthunder, but that day you’re doing a 3 hour community creator custom battle re-enacting D-day or operation ten-go or iwo-jima rather than grind your daily 15 kills in ASB across 2 games.

In OSRS, I’ll happily do a 66 hour grind to unlock sth like the Bow of Faerdhinen (10 minute per clear, 1/400 drop rate, 63% chance of obtaining it after 400 attempts = 66 hour grind, with a substantial chance to need more.).

Do you know why?

Because I can ignore the Bowfa grind for months, get a free weekend and put in 10 hours of b2b2 Corrupted Gauntlet and get the same results as if I played 10 minutes each day every third day for 180 days in a year.

You can’t do that with bushes in Warthunder.

They’re F2P only in a very, very nominal sense that holds little water when it comes to reality.

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I am not going to argue about the grind to get them but all the bushes I have, I earned for free. The fact you can either buy them to avoid the grind or earn them via the grind, is the whole point.

The fact yourself or others choose not to take that option, is YOUR choice, it is not a prohibitive advantage that only players who pay money can obtain.

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Well then it’s the same thing with ace crew. So if you don’t have a problem with crew then you shouldn’t with this. And even if Gaijin is going to make players be able to stop seeing bushes Gaijin should refund us. Which is something the snail isn’t going to do. And if I’ve paid for the advantages and I don’t get refunded when that goes away then it’s not fair to me is it?

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Then make bushes act like crew skills or camoflagues and make them unlockable all throughout the year at your own pace.

As I said, I’ll happily grind a Bow of Faerdhinen in OSRS even if at 66 hours of investment I only have 63% chance. In fact, due to statistics I only have a 95% chance to obtain it at 198 hours of investment.

Unless battlepass is changed to work like Bowfa, it’s unreasonable and absurd.

2 hours of Warthunder every day, each day for 49 days while logging in every day for 91 days and however long those 15 Special tasks took you is frankly beyond absurd.

Oh, and there’s times Gaijin prevents you from playing, too.

Like Leviathan update made Airsim unplayable for a week straight, and it’s still not as functional as it was before the update so that’s almost 2 weeks of inability to do those BP tasks.

Ace crew I can log in today, get 10K RP.

Log in 2 months later, get 10K RP.

Log in 5 months later (total 7 months), get 10K RP.

I have the same results as if I had had logged in and did 30K RP today.

Either way, I’m 30K RP out of 700k RP to get an ace Mustang Mk Ia which I will never lose and can do entirely at my own pace.

Ok that’s actually a good point. But the advantages of bushes definitely should not be removed

I can agree on this point, they should make them available all year round like they do with crew skills.

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With that I’d be fine, yeah

My problem is the battlepass system is FOMO and not compatible with unpredictable schedules, a busy life or having changing preferences of what you want to play and if you mess up, all your progress is permanently lost.

Long grinds: OK. I am currently doing the aforementioned “need 198 hours of doing content for 95% chance to get the drop” example with super random, sporadic gameplay so I’m absolutely not averse (I’m hoping for completion in only 30 hours but that’s only 36% probable.) (on flipside, I havn’t played in 2 months because I burnt out, but that’s no big deal as I continue where I left off when I feel like playing again.)

FOMO: Not OK. I should be able to play whenever and however much for the same progress that I never lose.

fwiw, I am a paying player (i bought myself some planes), so my argument is mostly around my utter hatred for fomo.

Bushes are not going to be removed so stop with that fantasy. Gaijin refunding players who purchased bushes is also another fantasy that is not going to happen. Yes bushes are attainable without using GE and yes the method to get them is a massive challenge.

I’d suggest gaijin allow players to use their convertible research points to “purchase” bushes.

Add a recycling center for crps like they’ve already done for wagers, orders, boosters, discounts and other items. As using the recycling center now, you don’t know what you’ll get but it provides the ability for players to remove something they won’t use and gives them the chance to attain something they want. I think adding the recycling center was a great move by gaijin and I use it whenever I received an item I’m not going to use.

Those that want to use their earned crps can use them, and the associated GE cost, those that don’t, now have an opportunity to get something they might want. The caveat is that once the crps are gone, they’re gone. You might trade in crps and get the palm frond instead of the olive bush. You might want the larger pine bush but you get the smaller one. Simply the luck of the spin.

Does this suggestion sound reasonable to those who are posting that bushes are p2w and if so would you trade in your crps for a chance to win bushes?

Would those of us who already have bushes, bought or earned, have a problem with this? I myself would not.

Finally, how many crp’s would need to be traded in order to get a single bush? 500k, 750k, a million?

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Good idea as well

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