Let us disable enemy decorators and bushes

Covered up MG ports. Hidden transitions between LFP and UFP. There are so many ways to cover up your weakspots, giving the person trying to hit those a very significant disadvantage.

Heavy tanks in this game are balanced around their weakspots. Certain vehicles can only penetrate some peers in said weakspots. Why are we able to cover these weakspots ingame with signs, shields and bushes? Are we really fine that player are essentially always forced to shoot barrel and then tracks? What about TDs that are open top and are susceptible to being machinegunned? Is it fair to them that they die, even though they shot first and hit, simply because I put a free decorator on my MG port?

I am fine with keeping friendly decorators on. But we should be able to disable every enemy decorator, including decals out of fairness. New players (considering same skill level) should have the same playing field than someone that played for longer and has gotten some decorators.

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No, I want people to see the vietnam vibes. My bushes do not cover, they camouflage

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no the purpose of those is for camouflage and to be relastic and to be hiding from enemy.

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not a big difference the t55 is quite good and also have a good pentraction back in my days in top tier I don’t have enough vehicles therefore my T55 was still with me and I managed to kill Abrams, Challenger and Leos. so it techinally not a big deal. Even got a God mode killing a Leo 2 with my ASU-57.

That’s Operation Granby, not Desert Storm - that’s the American ground operation. In fact, the Challenger should be Challenger OG not DS! Oh, and it is also Challenger 1.

Can’t wait to see some people defend the existence of bushes in warthunder.

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The same playing field? Sorry, it doesn’t work like that. By definition a new player will be at a disadvantage compared to a veteran player in pretty much any aspect of the game. That’s what experience does. I suppose you also want there to be some sort of skill handicap baked into the game, too?

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You can literally MG them if off, goofball

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Yeah, just MG them off for five minutes while the enemy makes coffee in the middle of the game!

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The disadvantage should come from skill and knowledge, instead of camouflage that’s very tedious to get F2P.

Bushes are borderline P2W, and crew skills are actual P2W.

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If anything disabling decorators does is allow you to hit weakspots (guess what, that requires skill) instead of having to go for a barrel because you can actually see the weakspots.

So basically what you are saying is: “People who support the game financially, shouldn’t be rewarded with a time advantage over people who play the game for free (yet complain an awful lot) and can still get the same “PTW” mechanic even though it may take them longer”.

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People who support the game financially shouldn’t earn any non skill related advantages over people who don’t. Paying money doesn’t entitle you too win.

If bushes were available in all warbond shops and didn’t require plenty of dedicated grinding, I wouldn’t have an issue. However, you can only earn 2 bushes every year with the current system, and they aren’t easy to get either.

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Why shouldn’t they? It is because of their support that FTP players are able to play…for free.

I think this is the flaw in your argument and that of everyone else who keeps complaining about these things. These mechanics are not pay to win because by your definition, I should win every game I play since I buy premium time, I buy GE and I also have bushes (despite earning them, not paying for them).

The fact I have these items and have also paid for services in game and yet still lose plenty of matches, also proves the myth that PTW exists in this game. Is it pay to advance, sure but anyone is free to do that.

Why the OP is complaining is because basically

  • he doesn’t have the same advantage
  • doesn’t want to spend the time earning it for free
  • and certainly doesn’t want to pay money for the time advantage of getting the items now.

The very items that would give him the exact same “advantage” as players who do earn or pay for them.

So this isn’t about “levelling” the playing field at all, its the “I want all the cake NOW NOW NOW, but I don’t want to pay or earn it”

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cant mg them when they already killed you first because you couldn’t see them first due to their camouflage
“hold on don’t shoot me let me mg your bushes first”

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Because being able to pay for advantages is bad.

That’s not how it works. Premium time doesn’t give you any in game advantages over others, it just allows you to earn more. Pay to win doesn’t mean paying for a 100% winrate, it means paying for an advantage over other users.

Once again, paying money doesn’t entitle you for any advantages in the game, and I don’t understand how anyone can think it’s OK.

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Or when you whiffed your shot because the moving ardennes forest wasn’t the tank you thought it was. It’s just not fair.

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Bad for whom? The people who don’t want to pay to support the game or the ones who don’t want to spend the time earning it for free? I am not sure that is much of an argument.

Now if on the other hand things like bushes or crew skills could only be purchased with money. I would agree with you, a paywall for advantages is inherently bad but since FTP players can earn them, the only advantage a paying player has, is they can get the items sooner.

Premium time allows me to research vehicles and modifications quicker, having a spaded vehicle is clearly an advantage over those who do not the same vehicles spaded.

If PTW doesn’t mean 100% winrate and you also do not have to pay in order to get the same advantage then how cannot it really be PTW?

Now you could say its Pay to Advance or Pay for immediate Advantage. However, since all players do not start their accounts at the same time and do not play at the same rate, its not really a true “advantage” since there will always be some players who have progressed further than others.

Again, why doesn’t it or shouldn’t it? I mean don’t get me wrong I don’t like to see actual PTW mechanics in games but even then I would have to argue that if someone has paid for it and another person hasn’t, I don’t see how the latter can argue against it.

It’s a bit like someone who paid for a standard flight ticket complaining that they don’t get a big easy chair, free tea and coffee and a neck rub from the hot looking hostesses because the other person that bought a premium ticket does.

sure, let me mg the bushes off that leo2a7 that is 800m away from me in a hulldown position

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because its not fair?

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