For goodness sake, how many of these posts do you people need to make🤦.
try US tech tree with F-16C =)), you need at least 3 kill to spawn with missile only =))), is this a neft? i remember i used to spawn F-16C with full CAS option when get 3 kill
It’s a fundamental implementation of the game. If you don’t like it, don’t play the game. It’s the one primary offer of the experience.
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Horrible idea, would effect the matchmaker negatively.
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No, because it’s an opinion.
I have a few reasons not to support this:
- Air elements are critical to the balance of certain nations at certain BR’s.
- There is no limit to this line of thinking. Why not have ten game modes for specific historical match makings, tank mirror matches, GRB but with air spawns allowed as first spawns, etc. It can infinitely divide the player base.
- Everyone who started playing the game understood what kind of game it was either from the beginning or very close to the beginning. It is wrong to play a game you do not like and then attempt to fundamentally change it for the people who DO like it in order to satisfy the people who DO NOT.
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People have the right to ask, but people need to be mature enough to take on board the response to such requests rather than use it as a subject to belittle others (as detracts from any nugget of moving such topics forward).
There is a tendency to treat disagreement as hostility, yes. War Thunder especially is like this among gaming forums. We’ve all spent a lot of time and likely a fair bit of money (or a lot) on this game. Because of that, many would rather try to salvage the game by re-aligning it with what they want to have than admit it’s no longer a game they enjoy to play as much and their investment is reaching the end of its value for them personally.
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Most CAS mains are horrible ass tank players, average 1.0 KDR on their tanks even after playing 50,000 matches, so their playstyle often feeds the enemies enough spawn points to spawn CAS, just like anti-virus companies of the past, creates new viruses and offers a solution? if you are a good tank players then it is unlikely for the enemy to spawn CAS with the best loadout, so NO CAS PROBLEMS bro.
Please provide examples
That is why people are asking for things to get added not changed.
The people who are against it are the ones who contribute to gaijin changing the current state of things and nerfs/buffs.
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Sir, this is tge general section. There exist an RB section for these kind of requests.
The game doesn’t revolve around RB, so as pong as your topic isn’t important or applies to all of war thunder, please refrain from posting here.
Your single gamemode isn’t that important that you make this issue a general war Thunder problem. It’s a RB problem and should be treated as such.
Regarding the topic, it depends on how realistic you want RB to be.
Tanks do not possess the piwer to magically remove planes from the universe, so giving players tge option is unrealistic.
They are not. CAS players will generally not go for a sole camper when they themselves can just spawncamp the enemy, or kill them on CAPs.
You also do not need CAS to kill a camper. You can do it with skill.
Most of the time CAS also creates camping, not prevents it. You will not get out of your cover, advance forward wher you can be easily seen and shot down by CAS, when there is CAS in the air.
It is exactly the same as arty in WoT, and AW. Both devs of those games say that arty is in the game to prevent camping, while it is proven to cause it.
At least Wargaming admitted in like 2013 or so that the real reason for arty to give trash players a tool that takes zero skill to use so thos players keep playing the game without having to put effort into learning to play.
That is not the main issue.
It is the power and skill requirement difference between tanks and CAS.
You can put a tarsh player in CAS and he will perform much better in it than in tanks.
Ask yourself the question: Does an average tank, at any if not all BR ranges have the same chance against a CAS as the CAS has against the tank? The answer is: Absolutely not.
I would have no issue with it if it was balanced, and reuires the same, or even more skill to use as tanks. But it is not. And you can not balance it.
The game is NOT a combined arms game.
For start, 1/3 of the main modes are single class only.
You can also not spawn air at the start of the “ground” matches.
There are also no ship-tank-plane mode, which would be combined. Would it be good? Not at all, in fact, it would be horrible, and unplayable for tanks.
Ships have the AA advantage, that they get high calibre proxy rounds at very low BR (3.7 IIRC), with dozens of guns aiming automatically with basically infinite ammo, and a ship is capable of surviving direct hits from bombs.
Nonsense. What tanks would need to get their BR changed?
Somebody is afraid that his easy kills that can’t fight back will disappear if TO is implemented, so he fears he can’t abuse them anymore.
Most players who use CAS in ground mode don’t understand that planes are not ground vehicles.
It is also really frustrating when you can’t play with ground vehicles in ground mode becuase of some players are trash with tanks, so they need something unfair to get kills.
Which is an issue with Air mode, and should not be solved with “forcing” players to play them in a different mode where they are unfair.
HEAT? Sure. It is a useless crap shell that would make the game better if removed.
Exactly.
Sadly not. Thing will not change unless another review bombing happens that focuses only on this topic.
Nah, put a Patriot or S-300 into air mode and see Air players be just as helpless as ground players against CAS.
It is so bad of an argument, tat it should not be even called that.
Guess what, most countries have started as monarchies, and now have democracy (most of them anyways). Does it means that old laws should still be active?
I don’t think you would want to bring back death penalty for calling the president an idiot…
How things have started have nothing to do about how it is today.
Average CAS enjoyer with negative stats in tanks…
How interesting, that Air players don’t have to grind 1, or more likely 2 other tech trees to be effective at destroying vehicles that are a different branch than the mode’s main branch…
I directly hit a plane with a 155mm HE and got only “severe damage”.
I directly hit a plane with a 76mm HEAT shell, and only got “hit”…
Most SPAA will die to a near miss to even the weakest rockets and bombs, and will die to a short burts from autocannons, if not 1shotted if a single HE shell hits ammo, which is usually all over the place in an SPAA.
Because they know that it would take their defenseless victims away, and they can’t abuse them anymore.
A TO mode would make the other, “combined” mode unplayable, as everyone would try to get into a CAS as soon as possible. If they can’t, the would mostly just leave the match, so very few if any tanks would be on the ground to abuse.
They know that an overwhelming majority would switch to TO, so that would an end to their easy abuse.
That it is unbalanced.
Enoug for Gaijin to give TO mode.
Imagine people saying 100 years ago “if you don’t like your kids dying in polio, then just don’t make kids”…
Sorry, but i prefer fixing an issue instead of putting a veil over it and pretending it does not exist.
For CAS enjoyers? Yes. But they have their own mode, so go play there with your planes, and leave ground vehicles in ground mode.
it is not. And which one do you talk about?
Do you mean, that certain nations need CAS becuase their tanks are too weak?
In that case they need more capable tanks. No CAS needed.
Do you mean certain nations are too strong at certain BRs?
Then they need to be balanced. No CAS needed.
This is especially stupid take, becuase how do you make sure that CAs is only used against a too string nation at a BR where it is too OP?
No.
Historical MM is a big no no, and would be unplayable.
Mirror matches could be added as an event, if wanted, tho i don’t think there is even interest in it with enough players to make a single 10v10 match. You can play arcade mode, which is pretty close to this.
GRB with first air spawn? Yeah, becuase you can’t first spawn a heli and rush enemy spawn with spamming rockets at them…
Giving a separate mode for those who only want to play tanks and keeping the current mode would make more players happy, but okay, if you say so.
Of course the main issue is that CAS is just too strong, and a TO mode owuld make CAS players whine rivers. So no more sales of premium CAS, less money.
Ground mode also started as tank only, so you failed even at that.
The game is not realistic to begin with.
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Is it realistic that a plane getting a direct hit by a 155mm shell in/under the cockpit keeps flying and shooting?
LOL.
Yeah, that’s why CAS players in general have less K/D…
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Also, if tanks are so “braindead to use”, why do you have horrible stats in them?
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Yes since the damage isn’t deterministic in nature… It depends on many factors but yes it can happen irl, it can also happen that the planeexplodes sure but both option are available. A deterministic result would actually be unrealistic.
Judging Realism on a sample size of one is just ridiculously stupid.
For a statement to be generally true it needs to be true in all cases not just the majority. CAS in SB is muuuuuuuch harder than playing a tank, therefore your statement isn’t generally true.
Stop you selfimportant drivel. You have a section use it. Your mode isn’t important enough that it belongs in this section no mode is.
A ~10kg warhead exploding at a distance from a crew where a simple handgrenade overpressure would be lethal is appearently realisic.
And don’t mind the 1000s of shrapnels that need ~50mm ABT-101 aluminium to stop from 10m away.
Too bad this is not about sim :)
Also too bad it is a fraction of the playerbase.
Somebody is pissed.
I mean why answer in a civilized manner?
What’s up with these CAS mains, tanks is braindead to use they say, point and click they say, proceed to have 0.5, 0.3, 0.6 KDR on their most played ground vehicles.
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I really like the idea for an option of TO Mode the same way as night battles.
It gives people a choice and Gaijin can use the data to analyze the usage of the mode.
Based on that data they can then decide to act on either leaving the mode in game OR to actually put the mode as standard feature into the ground as a general mode into the map rotation mechanic.
What I mean by that is that you get every 5 games a game where no planes/helicopters/strike drones can spawn.
Let’s see if Gaijin has an interest in improving the game by listening to what the players want :D
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That hapens when you spawn a light vehicle, rush the cap and then get blown up because the spawn points are all you care about.
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