Leopards w/ spall liners are way too op

Afaik no. I’ve seen many discussions on the topic, and the problematic part of T-series is the charges which refuse to explode (does Gaijin think they’re inert? dunno). The projectile part (which includes propellant & the APFSDS) does explode on the other hand, this lead to the meme of “just aim better kekw lol” being born that Russian mains would usually hit other nation players with a few months back.

On the other hand, the actually inert part of the projectile assembly on Chally 2s (it doesn’t have any propellant) used to explode for the longest time.

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IIRC in game charges does not explode 100%, projectile on the other hand does. Could be the other way around, however this is the main point.

But it simply not true. It both can be seen in game code and in literaly game.

Can you show me where did i mentioned any kind of politics? Please im waiting.

İf you’re talking about Ukraine war as a conflict its a clear shitshow that how russian tanks performs and reacts in real life war zone.

İ have nothing to do with politics as i mentioned about conflicts, if you think its unhealthy for in game performance then i will not mention it anymore.

İts a good attempt to make those vehicles more realistic in terms of protection, the thing is not all vehicles have spall liners and to those who lacks suffers quite badly.

İf gaijin is gonna remove spall liners it should be removed from all tanks otherwise it should stay in this current form and try to balance this shit Show.

You are free to prove this, but unless something changed recently, charges still behave like they used to and refuse to explode 100% of the time (every notable discussion that didn’t include die-hard RU-mains on the topic always concluded that charges are the problem after all…).

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But you clearly are. You are not bringing other conflicts, where NATO mbts have their problems, not bringing ME conflicts. You deliberatly saying “russian” (and not “soviet” or both “russian” and ukrainin") tanks, despite both sides of the conflict using the same T-series.

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And my current performance on Leclerc S2 is better then all of them so its safe to say Leclerc S2 is the most op one?

As you can see how dumb is that Logic.

Sure sure…

İ dont remember denying any of those, you could have mention about them any time you wanted and we could’ve have discussion about those tanks as Well.

Im talking about that. While i see what you’re trying to show im not seeing why what you’re trying to show should have impact into the game though.

I personally do not really care about that, but i find it a bad example for a game like that.

Gaijin needs to rework spall liners, things like that shouldn’t happen, they should save you from a poorly placed shot, not completly negate any spall:

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Video is not mine, though it show perfectly my point.

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https://streamable.com/0sb2k4

Currently the only MBT that does not show much problems with spall liners are Challenger 2’s.

Nope

I have around 2,6 KD in my OF-40MTCA, did i call it OP?

You say these tanks are OP yet you fail to do better in them than in any other tank.
So much for being OP.

You brought it up first, so why should I doing your job then? You easily could stay with only in-game topic, but for some reason you were in dire need of bringing it.

İt can always be imrpoved and im always welcome to experience better gameplay in that case.

Chally2 has weird spall liner design on hull, instead of protecting crew from Side it only focuses on driver in that case.

Although i’ve never had any problems of killing chally2’s even after addition of spall liners so its clear they need some reworking in that area.

Per gaijin, the arieres are confirmed to receive them in an update and the merkava to not, leclercs are still being examined upon.

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According to you Strv122 series and Leopard2A7V’s are also op but my performance on 122’s is nothing special, so its safe to say your claim based on nothing.

As i expected.

As i said yes, they do need some rework, they shouldn’t act like that in any case, which lead to the main problem that every spall liner vehicle does have excluding CR2.

Where have I stated such?
I have yet only stated that you dont own 2A7V and that STRV122s have better armour than it.
You fail to do better in a tank you claim is op and then proceed to run away from that and are putting on a shitshow mentioning tanks that dont even relate to that.
I have yet to call a tank op in this discussion.

İ agree on that part, spall liners should not be punishing people like that.

It was lacking Dorchester armour and took multiple hits to destroy (looks like it was immobilised by an anti-tank mine and then hit with a Kornet ATGM.) and the crew survived. Meanwhile T-72s have been blown to absolute peices, with none of the crew surviving, even from light hits from older weapons systems. I beleive I saw one article that interviewed a Ukrainian Tank operator and he called the Soviet era tanks “Death Traps” compared to the Western tanks being used.

The fact that the Russian military had to start deploying T-54s because they have run out of “modern” tanks, does some what prove that the Soviet tanks are hopelessly outdated and they are running out.

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Not T-54s. T-55s AFAIK (well, actually not much difference, but anyway). And not as tank units, but as additional artillery. So no, they arent run out of modern tanks.

And T-72s have survived multiple hits with their crewes pretty much being alive(just as T-64s and T-80s).

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Bro picked the one pic where the tank was destroyed xD

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