the 2a5 and 2a6 don’t have a ton of armor, sure, and I’d be fine with the 2a5 going down to 11.7 since it’s pretty similar to the M1a2 that went down.
The 2a6 does have the best gun in the game with a good round, and the 2a7v’s addons make a big difference.
yeah they do? along with 2a7 and the other leo2s they have the strongest turrets in the game
So every leclerc, every ariete, every challenger should be 11.3? Because EVERY SINGLE ONE is worse than the 2a5 lol
Sure why not?
Are you uhh, serious? Compression? 10.3s facing all of this?
Maybe Ariete and Challenger should go down to that BR and since Clickbait is better than 2A5 but stay at lower BR for some reasons
nobody mentioned clickbait, clickbait is also not better than 2a5
More pen faster reload and sightly faster than 2A5 if not better it the same class but one stay at higher BR for no reason is that CITV really worth higher BR?
No? They are as close to identical as you can get without being exactly the same?
Yes.
It also has far worse survivability/armor
Turret armor both have similar (2a5 have slightly better in this aspect)
Hull armor Both has none
Survivability similar
How Abrams had less survivability than non up armored Leopard when both tank’s hull can be lol pen with no spall liner?
To one shot non uparmored leopard is easy as one shot Abrams
Abrams right cheek is vulnerable to good ammo and both cheeks are vulnerable if they are angled even slightly towards the shooter. I don’t have to explain the turret ring. Abrams hull is also easier to pen in my experience though I will let this be just my opinion and not very solid.
For hull armor, the Abrams is far stronger in this regard. Unless you count in the turret ring, which even then the Abrams has better hull armor.
2A5 has a better turret
M1A1 HC/CB has a better hull
You need almost PB range to able to pen it with DM53 from L/55 like 200m or less but most of the times It very rarely that i able to pen it when it does i can French kiss them at that ranges
Same as above
I don’t doubt this need fix
No, you can cross map the abrams if he’s pointing one of his cheeks at you
Aren’t you glad I have some semblance of intelligence? I at least call a MiG 21 a MiG 21 and could care less about engine upgrades. This guy is saying a Type 90 is a Leopard.
it’s really common to say they are just leopard 2 variants, same with type 10 somehow
Similar gun if I remember correctly, but that’s just because Germany (like America) lobbies everyone to use their stuff.
This ignores the entire hull, so yeah, not very armored. main thing with the 2a6 is the L/55, but the 2a5 doesn’t get that.
There is no Challenger that belongs above 11.3 with the current BR cap, worst top tier MBT. Not super familiar with the Leclerc, and the Arietes are unarmored, but the 5s reload and better optics doesn’t make me think it’s worse than a 2a5. It would be best if all the really good stuff (2a7s, 122s SEPs, Type 10s) moved to 12.3 instead but Gaijin doesn’t increase the BR caps as often as they should.
… You can just play hull down?
There is considering compression…
then you’re a bit ignorant of the difference not going to lie here
When it’s hull down it has very little risk to trade fire with other 12.0s, only putting the barrel/breech on the line while others risking their turret crews lol there is a reason why AGS is extremely strong when play hull down, I just got it like few days ago, killed over 100 tanks while only die to them like 10 times, while the rest of the deaths is by CAS which was 70%, it risks nothing to trade fire.
Map dependant, also, you can just play hull-down passively in most top tier MBTs, not exactly optimal.
That led into my post about how I would prefer for them to move things up, but yes, the Challenger has the worst round out of any top tier tank, ready rack being 4 rounds is awful, it’s slow, and it doesn’t have nearly enough armor to compensate.
People overrate the 2a5 “cuz Leopard good”, it’s not at the same level as the 2a7. Ariete has Reload and optics over the 2a5, 2a5 has a slight speed advantage and turret armor.