You both see eachother and both fire at the same time on flat ground with no cover advantage for either tank.
There are a myriad of situations where one tank can defeat the other not to mention situations where the other tank could not even see the other. Then you go in to second shot situations where the A1A1’s reload comes in to play assuming the loader wasn’t knocked out.
It becomes too hypothetical.
But you are literally making hypotetic situations in void. One machine have listed number of advantages. That means that in huge variety of possible scenarios one vehicle would be better than another.
If the XM-1 didn’t have Laser RF or Thermals would it then be equal to the Leopard A1A1?
You’re saying the mobility negates every other listed advantage. Mobility is good. Mobility is not the sole reason to balance a tank.
The XM-1 has extremely good mobility and although at its tier relatively pointless armor it still has more effective armor than the Leo 1.
No. I havent said that.
But a big one. If one tank with same parameters as another have better mobility - that means it should have higher BR.
The Leo 1’s mobility is above average. It does not compare to the XM-1’s.
The XM-1’s mobility outpaces 11.7 MBTs and can be used to base rush. The Leo 1’s mobility is good “enough” for flanking.
The T-55AM’s parameters are not the same as the Leo A1A1’s
4 situational advantages (mobility, reload, gun handling, gun depression) > 2 situational advantages (LRF, better armor profile)
You can try and spin it however you want, A1A1 has much more going for it than AM-1 does, simple as. That alone warrants it a 0.3 BR increase.
True, they are much worse for wide variety of things.
“Is the Leo A1A1 a better tank?”
Hypothetical question that changes based on the situation provided.
How do you balance the vehicle? You look at average performance.
The average performance of the T-55AMs is better than the Leo A1A1 due to a variety of factors which isn’t specific to the vehicles in question.
Should the Leo A1A1 be 9.0? Should the T-55AMs be 8.7?
Both should be the top dogs of their BR range.
Only two situations where AM-1 prevails over A1A1 are:
A1A1 prevails in every other situation and let me assure you, there are more than two of those.
Massive facepalm moment lol.
Totally the opposite, A1A1 will be the preferred option since it excels in a lot more situations.
Preferred =/= average
“would you pick the Leo A1A1 or the T-55AM”
I would pick the vehicle which performs better against the vehicles at its BR range.
At 8.7 the T-55AM is top dog
At 9.0 the Leo A1A1 is lacking critical features to make it perform against other tanks it can face
On average at 8.7 you will not be uptiered
On average at 9.0 you will be uptiered
The way the current bracket is designed the T-55AM is overperforming. There are a multitude of ways to change this and several have been stated previously.
“is the Leo A1A1 a better tank than the T-55AMs”
Both were designed to face the other. Both do so effectively in different ways.
Leopard A1A1 has everything to face uptiers (speed, mobility, survivability, good capable APDSFS which can pen 9.3 and reliably kill later tanks in the weakspots.
T-55AM-1 doesnt get any of that. In fact its APDSFST shell cant even pen chinese counter parts at some places. M60s since M60A1 have very capable armour against its APDSFS.
except for a LRF and IR and at 9.7 its mobility is average / below average depending on the nation it’s facing
Any shot placed badly enough will fail to penetrate.
If A1A1 excels in majority of situations, it’s average performance will be higher than AM-1. Stop embarrassing yourself dude.
Comedy lol.
If you claim to know the averages please provide data to back it up.
Loads of MBTs at 9.7 don’t have thermals (2K is a prime example).
UFP of Chinese tanks at 8.7 will eat 3BM25. That’s not a small area by any means.
Gaijin does not release data.
The average is the average experience of players at the BR.
If you disagree then too bad? Gaijin doesn’t release data.
Its mobility is much better than of T-55AM-1. It has rangefinder. The T64A which came earlier in IRL and has bigger BR than Leopard A1A1 has BR of 9.3, does that mean it should be 9.0? Its mobility is quite above average compared to 9.0 MBTs.
So will fail any bad shot fired at T-55AM-1 at 8.0-8.3.
Leopard A1A1 has much more penetration to use.
So why are you claiming averages if you have no clue what’s happening ?
Data please, or just stop talking about something you have no clue about and fabricating wild theories backed up with absolutely nothing, how about that ?