Leopard 2A8

My bad got the numbers wrong it wasn’t 4 available at any one time but only 1 in 4 available. Which is still pathetic.

And France only had 19% of their Tiger fleet mission capable back in 2018/9, what’s your point? That nations at the time didn’t feel the need to keep their equipment operational perchance(?).

This still makes your CLAIM a massive pile of nonsense, because Germany was never subsidized by US when it comes to their airforce, ever.

Though, it’s fine to ignore that there were times when US itself only had ~50% of their respective aircraft models up and running, isn’t it? As long as nobody mentions it, that is…

U.S. Air Force | The Heritage Foundation

Here’s a source (pretty new) talking about Luftwaffe’s EFTs achieving a 80% mission capable readiness rate:

The Luftwaffe and its industry partners | ILA Berlin

It’s not. They outsourced their air defense to the US. The ONLY reason they were able to produce the ef-2000 without an interim 4th Gen aircraft like every other typhoon operator is because they relied on the US. So trying to downplay the Italians having a better air force than them now because of some fantasy production problem is bullshit.

Cool. You’re not the only one in here last I checked

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By the time Italy receives the majority of 2A8’s Germany will have most likley switched to the 2AX/9 as they are using the 2A8 as a intermediate. You are forgetting that you are speaking of timeframe of ~14 years in the future and assuming Germany wont do anything in the mean time.

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Dude I Just pointed out a Number to highlight that since Italy Is investing a lot on those units, various changes will be implemented. I don’t understand why You feel offended.

I never said that Germany won’t do anything After the 2a8, I Just pointed out that Italy Will be the biggest 2a8 operator. Idk were You ever saw me saying this. You are Just assuming that I don’t know anything about German projects wich Is, again, a wrong statement.

2A9? Would it have any significant changes over the 2A8?

Afaik a redesign, pretty much. Supposed to be a Germany exclusive variant. It’s been in the works for about 7 years already I think?

When is it planned to enter service? I’ve just never seen anything about it.

Ahh.

Ew, hull

Thankful that M322 was removed? Yippee!

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Should be 2029:

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/553364431636004885/1171066496584261702/Leopard-2-Roadmap-2-1024x678.png?ex=662854ea&is=6627036a&hm=907eccfddf3e6f276215897b9e8e2e39dcba28fe521dac5637d46ee83f3420b6&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=581&height=385

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/553364431636004885/1129849266387562627/1689401980945.png?ex=6628ad60&is=66275be0&hm=3051f4dff0c28f8e725de96a415589cb63a33c370367e25b9d9d13b80c3d073c&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1056&height=909

One of the most notable changes it might include is this:

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/554019825043636224/1126659300241195048/image.png?ex=6628473d&is=6626f5bd&hm=97266e974f9f3fb2e29d3b1620025fe8b4b731c9270dd60b5ea47bed74e40717&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=603&height=908

An expanded turret rack (that may or may not include an autoloader). KMW filled out a patent for it back in 2020 - 21.

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You can write whatever you want, one thing that remains certain is that Germany currently has no 5th generation aircraft.

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They are making it and they have the Eurofighter which is one of the best 4th gen aircraft which is more then able to fight what would be needed of it

Eurofighter it’s a 4th gen fighter with the capacity of a 5th gen due to constant modernizations

Italy has Eurofighter and F-35, so in this aspect Germany is behind Italy.

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Italian eurofighter dosent get the same upgrades and Systems as the German one together with germany using IRIS-T

Is this supposed to be a chicken measuring contest or what?

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