Leopard 2A8

Hello! Basically, that’s not really a weakspot or problem in real life, for two reasons;

1- “Weakspots” in real life do not really exist. In most cases, in most engagement ranges, gunners are to shoot at the center of mass of a vehicle and the shot will land… wherever it can. In War Thunder, you can pixel-hunt few cm wide weakspots, but this isn’t a typical activity in real life.

2- In real life, Challenger 2 is mostly meant to be used covering that plate with terrain, trenches, etc- it is not to be exposed in general.

Furthermore, in real life, the lower plate is fully coated in spall liners which significantly dampen damage by reducing spalling. Gaijin however actively refuses to implement these despite the numerous comprehensive and clear bug reports about it.

Remember, too, that the lower plate weakspot isn’t as big as it appears; half the lower front plate overlaps with the composite module of the upper front plate, so the weakspot is actually half as big than it looks.

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Cool… all of those produce combat vehicles, EODH doesn’t, they produce armor kits, something that Chile wasn’t even looking really into at the time. Have you even considered that EODHs solutions that aren’t MEXAS/AMAP based aren’t even really ready? You would have if you had read the article I linked before…

I still don’t see a reason why they wouldn’t be “allowed to export cus KNDS” other than “My source is that I made it up” from ya.

Ngl it’s sad how the US hasn’t really shown its ability to make MBTs in the past decade or so. The SEPv3 is definitely a step up from earlier models, but with the publicly available information it seems to just be akin to a stopgap with no real replacement

You do realize there is a m1e3 in development, right?


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Abrahams X is tech demo, i think the US would generally favor autoloader system and probably a lighter tank tho

I know it’s in development (and that the SEPv4 was cancelled for it), but there’s no real details about it and the US doesn’t seem to be innovating or doing large changes anymore. The software and modularity side of things are important, but that’s the bare-bones for Western tanks at this point.

Abrams X is different from the m1e3

yeah ik

It is like meta trend for new tanks now. All armies were short of hands, so crew should be lowered if it can be. Also, decades of experience gained by western armies positioning their armours on eastern europes like Poland or Baltic nations show that 60 tons were too heavy to freely operate on those areas.

Leopard 2AX and challenger 3 are exception but those are all like stop-gap between current MBT and real next generation tanks.

I personally disagree; it’s going to be a major overhaul for the Abrams, which has been stated by multiple officials close to the project. The whole reason for the project is from the vulnerabilities seen in Ukraine with all the MBTs that are over there right now. The US isn’t innovating or doing large changes anymore, I mean they literally just revealed NGAD winner and soon to announce the navys 6th gen fighter winner too. They are definitely still doing major changes.

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im not even gonna be suprise if they put a 20mm cannon that has a “drone detection” feature and firing proxi on the tank along side with an autoloader that is copy from the Type 10 with armor from the Leopard but has good hull armor and weights 51 tons full load and has a top speed of 72kph and -46kph
and they spend 80 billions on it

I meant with their ground stuff, I’m still holding out hope that the air stuff the US has been making recently isn’t poisoned by corruption or whatever BS kept causing issues through the 90s to mid-2010s in the army (not saying I support what the US was doing in that time frame, though).

The likely addition of canards on the NGAD has me confused, though. I would assume that canards aren’t good for stealth but from what I could tell they seem flush with the fuselage, so they might have flexible control surfaces down fully.

just fix armor of 27V first before A8 would be great if I want a complete tank not unfinish one.

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will be funny how they wanna adress the dilema of sweden buying 2a8s and its turning out the 2a7v in fact is better armored or at least equal

If all those RL Leopards would have the same armor values as our ingame War Thunder tanks, Swedes would actually downgrade their MBT fleet when they buy and introduce 2A8’s. Since German 2A7V and A8 would have worse armor values than the 30++ year old Strv’s ^^ Despite the new armor blocks are severely heavier and the tanks are slower… Something doesn’t add up.

Germany shouldn’t have gotten the 2A7, certainly not the 2A8.

I hate fighting Leopards, but in all honesty, they did need better thermals. Nothing like looking at a black and white Tetris game while you’re looking through your thermals

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They didn’t need EVERY advantage though. Having the best armor, firepower, and mobility should come with atleast some drawbacks.

Not the case strv122s are better armord.
Keep your facts right. And leclerc, ariete and T10 are way mobile. Leo is middle of the field.
The leo is an allrounder. Good armor, best cannon yes. And good mobility

You are just salty like most of the time.
Gajin already did a lot to merf the leos like the turret basket and the backside fcs trash.

The problem at top aint even the leo. Its the KH38MT

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If it just would be the backside. After the latest nerfs its almost like clockwise 3 to 9 sector is FCS blocked. Sometimes even sideshots are prevented by this FCS deadzone nonsense. If they continue this, Leopards might change into turretless casematte TDs.