So a good chunk of nations can’t actually finish the game…
And there not being top tier air for a few nations is a very big talking point. There is a reason the EX wqs requested so much.
I am saying you wpuld have to accept losing a good amount of German vehicles too. No more mobility in mid tier at all, and the Tiger 2 would go straight to the Leo 2K.
At least the top tier Leos were actually designed in part by the operating nations, and in the case of the 2A6HEL, actually assembled primarily in that nation. And not relevant, but I am not a man
There’s virtually no difference to justify that price gap. Instead of padding the tech tree with copy-paste export vehicles, why not just add actual German variants like the 2A6EX or 2A6A3?
NATO vehicle bloat is a serious issue. At least its less stupid than the boxer AFVs, how the hell is something that big meant to work in europe of all places
This is a leopard 2a7+ duel ops, its a tech demonstrator from 2009, it was shown alongside urban ops,
And speaking about the brochure, the brochure itself was literally debunked already, I’ve sent above the 2a8 brochure and the 2a7no brochure, and the two of them are REALLY similar
The whole 7.4 shtick was debunked above, how there was a spectus driver device being tested, but when they realised it reduces the gun depression, they simply noved the spectus, hence why 7.4 shouldn’t be a thing for either of the 2a8s, a7 should retain 9 degrees as well of course
In addition, the elevation limit was implemented due to the early days of Spectus integration (around 2011)
"In addition, the PERi received a thermal-imaging system of th~ ~ewest generation and a white-light
searchlight was fitted to the gun mantle. " - Leopard 2 Gesamtwerk book on the A7+
As one can see, in this configuration, a too high elevation could just snap the cable, so it was limited for the time being.
So I state again, the numbers of this brochure are about 15 years old and if Gajin wants to treat this brochure as the end all be all, then its reasonable to demand a weight reduction of the Leo 2A8 to around 63 tons
Missing Lws for Germany wasn’t enough so they nerfed the depression even more than it already was. Gotta love The Selective realism and general hypocrisy
I think, the brochure was written in the first days of the upgrade, so the customers knew whats going on. Later on specs and placement of Spectus changed and the search light was removed, how ever no one at KNDS bothered enough to change the brochure, as contracts most likely were already signed a that point
The reliance on a marketing brochure as “primary documentation” directly contradicts Gaijin’s own official historical source validation guidelines regarding military equipment updates.
The Marketing Brochure Policy Violation:
According to Gaijin’s established technical reporting rules, commercial brochures, product catalogs, and public website marketing materials published by defense contractors are explicitly classified as unreliable for vehicle parameter changes. Historically, when players submitted KNDS brochures to prove upgrades to the Leopard 2’s armor layout, the moderation team rejected them, stating that “brochures are marketing material meant for export attraction and lack accurate blueprint fidelity.” Utilizing the exact same KNDS marketing PDF strictly to enforce a mechanical nerf is a textbook double standard.
Proof of Brochure Inaccuracy (The Weight Anomaly):
The specific KNDS 2A8 brochure used for this report is demonstrably outdated and contains copy-paste legacy placeholders. For example, it lists baseline system weights that completely fail to reflect the actual, finalized 69.5-ton combat weight of the active Bundeswehr and Norwegian production contracts equipped with EuroTrophy APS. If the brochure’s weight matrix is completely inaccurate for a production-ready 2A8, the vertical elevation entry (-7.4°) is undeniably a legacy placeholder carried over from older documentation formats.
The Physical Geometry Eradicates the Directive:
As visually proven by the community layout tracking, the historical -7.4° / -7.67° restriction existed solely because prototype builds featured a blocky, protruding Spectus driver sight box bolted on top of the hull deck, which physically blocked the gun carriage. On the production model of the Leopard 2A8, KNDS engineers physically embedded the Spectus sight flush into the sloped glacis armor plate, leaving the forward hull deck entirely clear.
Applying a flat 360-degree software clamp based on an outdated, copy-pasted marketing PDF—while ignoring the finalized physical hull engineering and the fact that the game engine already models dynamic variable elevation over the rear deck is fundamentally incorrect. The frontal arc must be restored to its authentic mechanical layout capacity of -9°.
To further illustrate the logical and procedural contradiction here, we must look directly at Rule 2.2.2 (Marketing and Manufacturer Documentation) of the War Thunder Military Restrictions policy:
The Selection Bias of Rule 2.2.2 (Request for Armor and Equipment):
If the moderation team insists on treating this specific KNDS marketing brochure as a definitive source to enforce a mechanical nerf under Rule 2.2.2, then by your own regulations, the entire document must be accepted as authentic, not just the parts that nerf the vehicle. The exact same brochure explicitly states that the production Leopard 2A8 features the advanced D-Tech composite armor package and the FLW 200 RCWS. Selecting a single legacy placeholder value (-7.4 elevation) while completely ignoring the protective and electronics upgrades listed in the exact same document is a direct violation of objective sourcing. If the brochure is valid under Rule 2.2.2 for a nerf, it is universally valid for a buff.
Precedent for Other Nations (To set a precedent for other countries):
By establishing the precedent that a manufacturer’s commercial brochure overrides physical layout tracking and finalized hull geometry, Gaijin is opening a massive door for all nations. If commercial marketing material is now considered a primary definitive source for vehicle parameters, then players should be fully allowed to utilize official brochures from General Dynamics (USA), Nexter/KNDS (France), and BAE Systems (UK) to universally adjust or upgrade Abrams, Leclerc, and Challenger variants based on marketing claims.
If Rule 2.2.2 is to be enforced, it must be applied consistently across all fields of the vehicle and universally across all nations’ tech trees, rather than being used as a tool for selective nerfing.
You haven’t pointed out anything close to facts. All you have done is rage about your nation suffering and how mains of other nations are evil bla bla bla.
Typical behavior from low skill nation mains though. It’s a shame for the German mains trying to actually fix the issue, because it seriously muddies their cause.
I responded to the guy saying “haha, your tank is broken, should have supported the abrams!”
Then I pointed out the fact that no one was opposed to the abrams getting fixed and US mains made such a stink they made a entire devblog to explain why the community was wrong and they STILL GAVE A BUFF TO IT.
AI however I see that the point stands and this nerf is completely unjustified as the document is completely inaccurate for the current configuration of the 2a8 today and in game. I hope Gaijen will read this bug issue and actually revert the change ESPECIALLY as its affecting 2 tanks (2a7v and 2a8) because of the SPECTUS that isnt even in the correct spot to justify the lower depression. It is really sad to see Gaijen use that brochure.
