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Vague for them because they lack common sense
I dont know what sources they used to say that all the leopards with the L55A1 have -7.4deg. I only know the 2A8 brochure that shows a 2A7+ in the photo
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Well because this “Leopard 2A8” Brochure is not a Leopard 2A8 but is a relabelled Leopard 2A7 Brochure. What is interesting is despite the Leopard 2A8 has been Advertised with a Trophy System as Standard on it yet in the Brochure it gets listed as a Optional Feature or as the Opposite with the RCWS which Gets Listed as Optional in another KNDS Brochure which Does show a 2A8 but In the “Leopard 2A8 KNDS Brochure” with the Leopard 2A7+ Picture is shown as a feature. The Amount of Inaccuracies with this is simply Staggering.
In This Brochure from the 2026 Eurosatory From KNDS represents the Leopard 2A8 A lot closer than what we have Currently Represented.
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Sad it doesnt have the elevation specifications as this whole thing could be over.
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Germany is chopped again, Swedens going cook it again. Ggs good luck with the update.
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Leopards are better than their counterparts in every way except reload; specially armor and survivability, particularly the uparmored Leopards.
If they also got a reload buff, they would straight up render every one of their counterparts whose only advantage is reload pointlessly obsolete.
What would be the point of Merkavas, Abrams, Leclercs or Challengers if the Uparmored Leopards were not only better in terms of armor and survivability, but ALSO equal in rate of fire? As of now, rate of fire is the ONE advantage these tanks have over the Leopards.
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Every way ?
The speed both forward and backwards is better on the abrams
The gun elevations, especially with this entire shitshow, is also gonna be better for abrams and challenger
The reload we’ve mentioned
The nato hump is the worst of all vehicles, and can really bother in certain situations, but alright, we won’t consider this too big
thermals arent superior on all leo variants, and frankle thermals aren’t THAT important
Survivability is crazy questionable, i see all the time merkava’s, challengers, abrams, survive a hit, due to them having 4 crewmember, same as leo, yes, that doesn’t make leo special
Spall liners were nerfed into the gutter, they really don’t feel all that special
whether you have 653mm of pen(wrong btw) or 580mm of pen it literally doesnt matter, everybody always goes for weakspots
Armour is definetely nice at times, but only that, at times, you never ever rely on armour at top tier, and funnily enough, leopard is the only tank in the game, besides era filled ones, who’s armour can straight up be degraded into uselessness, your cheeks can just fall off lmao
I’m sorry dude, but we are taking the best tank in the world, at least the best tank in the world for tank on tank engagements for sure, with all that it’s got going for it, and we take a shit on it, in order for “other tanks to have a point”, and i get it, balance is important and all, but frankly, dragging the leopards through all the mud, that they’ve been dragged thus far, is simply ridiculous.
if something like a leopard 2a8, realistically, should have been the absolute best tank of the game, so much so that balance is being hurt because of it, don’t freaking add it into the game for the clout.
this farce wouldn’t have happened if the developers had the patience to wait for a year or two, or even three, so that more information on 2a8 could potentially appear, and it’s implementation wouldn’t be so insanely wrong
I mean, should i even bloody mention the entire shitshow with 7v and now 2a8 having incorrect armour for years ?
Should i mention basic stuff like armour holes in just about all the leopard models and the promised rework of leopards “sometime who knows when” ?
Instead of working on fixing up all the numerous issues that were bugreported, and even accepted(not only concerning leopards, really), we are adding not one but TWO 7v clones with a trophy, and we will use a quite simply wrong brochure, with outdated information to nerf NOT JUST the a8s, but even touch upon 7v and hu, cool, yeah, nah, i’m refusing to believe that this isn’t done on purpose in order to nerf leopards either for “balance’s sake” or purely malicious intent, idk, the addition of 2a8 is purely for the clout, and is way too early, we really could have avoided most of this, had we simply had some patience…
Really this entire thread is just a testament to how little gaijin cares, and how they are going to do, whatever it is that they want to do for their game, that fits their neat little picture, and frankly, i am not the biggest fan of their vision, in many aspects, not just leopard, although, everything they’ve done to it, regarding its implementation and balancing, alongside all the leopard clones in all the trees that aren’t germany and sweden, is quite frankly a shitshow.
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Listen, i get it, leopard is still a great tank in our game, all of them are, but “still good” and “as it should actually be” are 2 different things, yeah even with the stupid depression an elevation nerf its not like its gonna become unplayable, but i’ll be frank, while we have data on 2a8NO, we don’t have data for german 2a8, and with brochure bs out of the way, even tanks like 7v, that we know have 9 degrees of depression, are now wrongfully getting cucked, and that’s simply bad
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Oh yeah, true, it’s not mounted in a place where it could mess with the gun depression.
Not for ALSO having the best reload.
It already has the best armor ingame, but yes, it should be even better, as well as the 2A7s.
It should also get, at least, DM63, if not DM63A1 (DM73 would be too much for now).
Leopards can remain the best through their unique strengths without making every tank feel exactly the same but better/worse by giving the mall the same 5 second reload.
dude, you don’t even know what you are talking about, as neither dm63 nor dm63a1 would provide ANY additional penetration, at all, period, that’s it
Dm73 could me a minor-ish improvement, that, really, wouldn’t mean anything either
Unique strengths like armour that you never rely on at top tier, because you’ll just get 1-2 tapped through weakspots, hwow
Yeah nah, leopard is long overdue to get the 5 sec kd, merkava’s also really need 5 second kd if im being honest, but that’s besides the point
Has anyone here even seen the state of german winrates ? And we are nerfing their top tier mbt ? Yep, crazy good logic, abrams was buffed to 5 sec a while back, when us winrates were in the gutter due to their players, i see nothing wrong with giving 5 sec to leo, considering the current state of affairs
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yeah don’t forget that with that weight, you get 72 kmph, definitely not important, not at all, yup, i love how out of all the info on brochure you’ve specifically looked at that and only that)))
Notice how I said I’m not going to use that in a report.
However, if you would like to use it to report the 2A7HUs top speed, be my guest.
Do you feel like you need MORE than 652mm? Don’t you think the shells being imprevious to detonation would be enough of a survivability improvement?
DM53 and onwards would need their anti-ERA tip fixed, as well.
Improve Leopard’s armor and survivability, instead of keeping it nerfed to instead make top tier even blander by just giving them a faster rate of fire to re der everyone else obsolete even in that sense.
Not a vehicle issue…
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Both Dm63 and dm63a1 would pen less technically, also dm63a1 is just REACH compliant dm63.
if you are carrying shells other than apfsds(which at least i do), heatfs or he, for spaas, it don’t matter, you will still just explode, bustle or not
Why was abrams buffed to 5 seconds, when it was literally a players problem(click bait) ?
It is a phenomenal vehicle, always was, and always will be, recently it became even better with the volumetric changes, and looking at the us win rates at top tier, it even deserves its 6 seconds back, not that i would ever advocate for that, no, rather, i’d have the leopards step up their game
And that still doesn’t answer my question, as in, how do german players deserve this nerf ? How is that a good idea to nerf their mbts ? How does that help them ?