Funnily enough Im 100% sure that the Developers have 0 Clue what Version they are even talking about anymore. Because yes there Was a Leopard 2A7 with just the L55 But that was just the Leopard 2A7 NOT the Leopard 2A7V (These two are Completely Different Vehicles). About the Cannon Rheinmetall says there is 0 Change in Design/Weight or anything that would hinder it.
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Nobody needs to be fired when everything is according to plan.
If the plan is throwing away any trust and goodwill the community has in the bug report system then sure
Like straight up there was a 2A7 before the 2A7V even existed (Makes sense because the Leopard 2A7V literally has the V standing in as Verbessert or Translated Improved so… I dont know what 2A7 they are mentioning with just a L55 and not the L55A1 besides the 2A7)
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To be honest, why are we even exhausting ourselves on these forums for days? We present bulletproof military data, official procurement books, and actual army presentation plaques, yet it gets completely ignored due to bureaucratic excuses. By continuing to argue against this structural bias, we are only losing our own dignity and wasting our precious time. I’m glad I uninstalled the game. It is clear that the current reporting framework refuses to accept definitive production data.
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i don’t know why, but they don’t seem to be respecting the tankograd books, despite them being quite literally the PENULTIMATE leopard book, its simply the best book on leopard 2 there could ever be in existence, the only sourec that could potentially be better is, if tankograd published gesamtwerk leopard 2.0 with even more information
Simply nothing comes close to the quality of that source
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Overall? Yeah nobody is. However right now my boss is, because I don’t think they would appreciate me going home during worktime to log onto the dev server for screenshots and to write the bug report on my home PC.
Unfortunately big chance its faked/AI generated
We have to wait for the original user to convert it into a PDF
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I admire the confidence in such stupidity.
External bug reports arent done by staff. its by players like Kobes, Master_teaz and myself. You wouldnt see the report to make sewage tier claims about if it was internal
Ignoring the A8 for a second, how does this justify the nerf on the Leopard 2A7
When even the Bundeswehr states the -9/+20 degree of depression and elevation are given?
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If you mean the 2A7HU stats, that is the weight with the urban add-on armor. That weighs 4 tons according to a 2A7HU platoon commander source
Those are max weight and max speed stats.
"the base version is 67,5tons but the weight of a Leopard 2A7HU equipped with the add on armour, IED protection, approaches/nears 73 ton” *Haditechnika, same source
Plus I do have 1 Big Issue with the entire Situation at hand and well… The KNDS Brochures that have been used should not be seen as a Reliable Source. Firstly the 2A8 Brochure is Almost a 1-1 Copy of the Leopard 2A7 Copy which isnt exactly a reliable source either because That was written with the Leopard 2A7NO (which had the old Spectus placement at the Driver´s Level).
Lets Do some Comparisons.
Leopard 2A8:
Leopard 2A7:
Also… Nice Leopard 2A8
Additionally On Page 8 of the KNDS Brochure It shows this Leopard 2
I dont have to say this but this is not a 2A8 nor any Variant of Leopard 2A7 that has seen Service, This is In fact a Tech Demostrator made (yes by the request of the Bundeswehr) However this Version of this Vehicle was ultimately not Adopted. In fact this Vehicle was tested with the UrbOps Kit and a FLW 200 Which was also not adopted on the Conventional Bundeswehr MBT.
So the Fact that this Image was even Represented on the “Leopard 2A8” Website despite it being of a Vehicle from 2012 has to tell with how confusing this entire situation got.
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I think the only way to create a bug report would be to include this, the Bundeswehr video and a verified email from KNDS (not AI generated) disproving the -7.4 degree. Additionnally, use the pic of the 2a8NO stat board with something like -7.62 to disprove this brochure. Create a large report the community can rally behind and the devs MUST do something. And looking at this brochure, this is copy pasted from before and very evidently does not show the current iterations of the 2a8 especially not the one modelled in warthunder.
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I mean we do have a book from the Lieutenant Colonel and Project Manager of Leo 2 Related Procurements literally write in his book that the 2A7V has a depression of -9° and +20° but that info has been Ignored since in my Report where I mentioned it it wasnt even Mentioned by the Bug Reporting Manager but only the Youtube Video.
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It’s sad to see how they nerfed gun depression because of a sight that isn’t even mounted on the tank in game.
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yes and using an old document that doesnt even look like the 2a8 today :(
The Spectus Is mounted on the Leopard 2A7V However we gotta Compare the 2.
Spectus Early Position: (Roll-Out Leopard 2A7V)
Spectus Late Position: (In Service Leopard 2A7V)
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There’s no point of continuing to argue about this. Gaijin cannot maintain their consistency when it comes to the historical accuracy of most vehicles in top tier these days. Bugs go years without being fixed on some vehicles while some get them fixed instantly. Constant changing the requirements of what’s needed in a report like an insurance firm.
I would not call this game historic anymore since nothing at top tier is apart from a few tanks in certain nations
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I do know that yeah… I mean its not just with German Vehicles but with Tanks from other nations aswell and its honestly just tiring to have this inconsistent Double Standards, especially when it comes to Nerfs, if you want to Buff something it either never comes or it gets outright denied because its not planned (planned for 1 Vehicle but not for the other).