Extremely powerful? You live with 3 extremely powerful Swedish tanks with spall liners and smaller penetration, but you will say the germany 1 (poorly modeled than Sweden) tank will be op? You hear yourself?
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Hey buddy, you sure you’re not in the wrong universe? This ain’t Breaking Bad.
All these Leopard’s armor improvements come out of nowhere
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Having played 10.7-11.7 with 5-6 different nations (after the update) it’s not just a skill issue, as German and Russian teams are starting to show similar things. It’s a combination of skill issue and the Abrams just not being a very forgiving tank, as anyone with 2 braincells can reliably 1-2 shot it. Stomp them hard enough and they won’t even be able to spawn their CAS.
German teams seem to have skill issue as well to a slightly lesser extend, but are getting carried by good multi nation players and the 2A7V being easily top 2-3 MBT.
Russian teams are just something else too, but their armor means that mistakes aren’t punished as hard as other nations.
Sweden is…well Sweden. Best ground nation by far with a lot of experienced players be auss of that.
well you said what i said in the abrams said a week or 2 ago ^^
But what pisses me off is that its suddenly “germany op”
We got A SINGLE tank that has armor suddenly everyone screams germany OP REEEEE
Meanwhile sweden got 3 version with better armor of it and 2 of them being ingame for years
No germany is broken and op
this was bound to happen sooner or later that ppl switch trees and grind germany and now you get 1 death leaver potatos as well :)
Only saving grace for germany right now is we dont have a “premium” 11.3 (yes we got the leotard 2pl, but usa has the AIM and the clickbait)
- everyone knows muh abrums best tonk in world …^^
well let’s say it like that:
German players wanted a leopard with armor for years and after being stuck 2 or 3 years with 2a6 as best tank people played sweden, you get a better version of german leopards + the norway? 2a6…
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So in summary just a skill issue
I don’t get all the complaining about the Abrams it just worse then Leopard in protection but still a decent tank
Protection and survivability. It has a giant off buton that you always have to expose when you want to shoot something, aka turret ring.
It’s still a very nice tank, but the average player just can’t handle a tank mostly made of cardboard with meh survivability. This is one of the reasons that people don’t play the Arietes and Merkavas, besides them just being bad tanks ofcourse.
Thing is also that the LFP armor won’t fix the issues and won’t suddenly make it on par with the 2A7V and all 122s. Gaijin would need to fix things around the UFP or turret ring to make it more comparable to the 2A7V or go the firepower route with M829A3.
Problem is Gaijin seems to have no clue what direction they want to go with the Abrams.
Initially they seemed to want to go the sneaky flanky mobile wood cannon direction with the Abrams from what I could tell, which is fine. This feeling was further reinforced when they buffed the reload.
But then they make it so that the new SEPv2 is forced to use this absolutely useless dead weight ERA package. Hampering it’s mobility due to the weight and ruining any ability to be stealthy because it’s now twice as tall (due to useless antennas).
Like at least make up your god damn mind Gaijoob.
Same issue with the TES and OES Western ERA/NERA needs to be corrected as in their CE protection increased
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He is from brazil obviously cuz of the language, appart from that his expectance is that hitting a tank anywhere means insta shot i’ve shot mbts on the lower part of the hull from a side angle and never get a kill with that and less by hitting the fuel tanks closer to the engine, he hit exactly every spot he shouldn’t have hit in the first place, he really is your average “point and click i can’t, something wrong must be”
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Yeah because that also fits what seems to be the role that Gaijin wants the CR2 to be, this CE bunker with a good ROF.
Honestly the CR2s need their ERA values corrected and the SEPv2 needs to be able to take it off. I don’t care if they correct the SEPv2 ERA, equipping it on an Abrams is actively kneecapping the tank.
Too right well i hope they mention it in this blog thats supposed to come
Thanks for the flags! I love collecting them.
It for the most part is. This graph excludes both M1A1 AIM & Click-Bait (only 11.7 vehicles were compiled), but the average W/L R is still well below 50%, so are K/D and avg kills. Sweden & Germany performing well is to be expected, but the 2A7V did made a significant difference in the WRs of Germany (~62% just 2 weeks before this patch went live, so a ~4% increase for a vehicle that is supposedly “OP” as many say).
Much less capable nations, with less capable vehicles perform much better in all departments than US (France, GB & China). It’s not like these nations are only played by OTPs with 5000 matches in each Leclerc/Chally 2 variant, they’re for the most part about as good as your average Russian/German players… so why are they doing this good in comparison?
Simple, most of them probably did not buy their way into top tier, and are more experienced.
things around the UFP or turret ring to make it more comparable to the 2A7V
So you’re saying;
- keep the turret ring just as bad
- make the upper plate weaker than it is on the previous, older variants
Cus that’s the current 2A7V, courtesy of @Yoshi_E
(the turret of the 2A7V is actually worse than on the 2A5 btw, so the only real improvements it brought are the middle stip of the hull that 99% of people aim for… and 3rd gen thermals).
Thing is also that the LFP armor won’t fix the issues and won’t suddenly make it on par with the 2A7V and all 122s.
You, my guy, have an IQ of 220. Finally someone understood that it won’t magically fix the horrible performance of US players.
Fact is, Abrams isn’t as suited for WT as Leopard 2s (hard to swallow for some, I know), areas like the turret ring matter little in real life (because they are unlikely to be striked), or how the LFP is for the most part ignored on most vehicles… again, because it is very unlikely to be striked.
The biggest buff Abrams could get right now? Making it so you have to aim centre mass due to FCS forcing you, then M1 would probably suit WT just as much as a Leopard 2.
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Gonna make a bingo card for it. “Out experts” ‘We believe" "We assume’… Etc
This, and make it so I can take off TUSK II. I don’t want to drag around 4 tons of extra weight that is useless anyway.
240 games in the SEPv1 and TUSK I saved me extactly 1 time. 163 games in the SEPv2 and TUSK hasn’t saved me at all.
Now being 4 tons lighter and not having multiple skyscraper sized antennas on the back of my turret would be super helpful. Your first priority in the Abrams should be to not get hit anyways, at all cost.
Yes, but also I dunno if that’s something wanted. FCS forcing you to fire centremass 100% would also massively buff Soviet/Russian vehicles unless Gaijin were to actually properly model anti-ERA functions of all the rounds that had such.
It would also make some vehicles less armoured per se (Leclerc/Type 10) because you’re then forces to fire at their weakest points etc.
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i would be just happy to get FCS for Puma and AHEAD TT
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4 tonnes lighter + f.e quieter engine, less shrapnel inside the tank, fixed fuel tank bulk heads(thicker UFP), turret ring repaired so any BMP and SPAA can F off and M829A3 with at least good implementation( raw pen instead of anti era tip or anti era tip with m829a2 raw pen) and I can forget about thicker LFP on Abrams. It would make it almost on par with Leo 2 A6 with better mobility and agility and reload speed but with less turret armour.
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By the way the 2A7V has a literal hole in the turret if the gun is fully elevated, you can look into the crew compartment.
Wonder how much armour is presented where is this hole is
On the 2A5 is their a hole in the left cheeck somewhere as i shot right though it with i can’t recall the name but the first APFSDS you get on the T80um2 or T80UK