I think the argument could be made that the Sep v3 and the new T-90 could be 13.0BR without new decompression. With the introduction of a new top tier German tank they could move the premium 2A4M up to 12.3BR with ease.
man what??? m1a1 is 11.7 .m1 ip 11.3 , m1a2 , hc , aim , click bait 12.0 have same protection better reload the side depresion no nerfen underground " unrealistical nato bump" but these leopards need to be 12,7 but ambrams fine at this br no?
leopard 2 protection vs 9.0 “best shell” really way better than abrams!!!
Sooo the M1A1 is better in every way but thermals and that’s why the 2A4M should move up in BR?
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They can push it to 13 for those but I know they’re going to wait for those changes once they see people losing interest. The decompression would fix and give people a lot of relief but they know frustration forces people to rush up the tree or buy a premium.
I would make the argument that decompression helps player retention. But then again I don’t work for the company.
Edit: there are a few more things that should really be put in folders as well.
Missing the overall picture of the case being made. Amour is lacking for the leo has already been established but if reliance for your tank is armor you already lost the fight.
Capabilities of the leo are far better than the abrams, overall I could care less if these move the abrams to BR 12.7. My case for this discussion is specifically on the premium leos. If you want to bottle neck on geting hung on the semantics of the abrams tank you can go create another forum for BR 12.7 and I can go over there and say I agree.
Overall, leopard premium at BR 12 with the best overall package is under tiered. Apart from the amour it lacks nothing else and gains so much more for battle field effectiveness.
Because of better Thermals and a bit more gunner zoom???
Armor:
- Turret armour? M1A2 Abrams
- Hull armour? M1A2 Abrams
- Smallest weakspot sizes? M1A2 Abrams
Firepower:
- Penetration? M1A2 Abrams
- Reload speed? M1A2 Abrams
- Gun depression/elevation? M1A2 Abrams
- Gun limitation arc? M1A2 Abrams
- Secondary armament? M1A2 Abrams
- Turret traverse rate? Tied
- Thermal sights? Leopard 2A4M
- Ready rack size? M1A2 Abrams
Mobility:
- Acceleration? M1A2 Abrams
- Top speed? Tied
- Neutral turn? Leopard 2A4M
- Reverse speed? M1A2 Abrams
- Forwards turn? Leopard 2A4M
- Backwards turn? M1A2 Abrams
Survivability:
- Crew count? Tied.
- Ammunition safety? M1A2 Abrams
- Fuel tank protection? M1A2 Abrams
- Spall liners? Tied.
I’m seeing a whole lot more purple than I am orange.
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The wiki screenshot of armor is utterly pointless.
Abrams gets 5.3 sec reload with expert crew and fully trained loader, all Leo2s with same setup have 6.4 sec reload.
Ace crew either requires gold for every leo2 in my lineup (not doing that) or ridiculous amount of games to get it for free (even my most played leo2s are nowhere near close to ace crew).
When was the last time commander thermals were relevant?
And thermals alone wont do the killing.
If you had abrams with no thermals but current gun and leo2 with 3rd gen thermals but no gun, only one wiuld still be playable.
Its not just armor, abrams has all ammo in turret ammorack with blowout panels AND larger ready rack.
You qre entitled to your opinion but you cant claim 2A4M really surpasses clickbait.
@YEARoftheABRAMS sorry for ping but id be interested in your opinion. 2A4M or clickbait?
M1A2 Abrams is a tech tree tank not a premium BR 12 tank. Premium tanks are not supposed to be better than their tech tree counterparts per Gajins saying. The best comparison is the premiums either way, if people really feel strongly that a leopard can’t be moved without the abrams then move them all to 12.3?
Fair enough, my mistake for not looking through the entiriety of thread earlier. But if Magik says its fine at 12.0 i belive it to bullshit free statement.
It’s understandable that everyone puts paper to paper. One says stats, another says it’s player experience etc. If he played the premium leopard 2A4M he would have a different opinion as these can change. Overall, one might put more weight on armor (Russian Bias believers) another on rounds, and another on mobility and some experience (Merkava users). In the end, I’ve played several Premium tanks at top tier BRs and their tech tree versions. The premium leopard is the only one I’ve seen to actually need a BR moved to minimum 12.3. But as some have agreed that’s the conclusion others have not. Either way, BR 12.3 is where I believe it should be for a premium leo.
So just use the Click-Bait. Results are the same.
They quite often are or have been, so that’s not relevant.
The point is that the Leopard 2A4M is significantly worse than a M1A2/M1A1 Click-Bait, so the 2A4M should not be 12.3 alongside a M1A2.
pleas tell me in wat are leopard better than 12.0 abrams? is faster , more amor, better reload , better ammo ?
have 2 12.0 premium abrams same with germany u know no have right but come with these stupid arguments… these abrams is fair competitive with leopards but u are a usa main and this not enought for u nerf other nations under ground… + the leopard way better u why have way better k/d wit abrams?
If this is how you’re going to talk you shouldn’t be on forums. Crazy you call yourself Gentleman must be a paradox?
EDIT: Like I said, stats aren’t everything. Some agree with 12.3 some say it’s good at 12. I have seen what people wrote and can agree 12.7 too high but 12.3 is the best place for it.
yeah because these stpd argument change my mind is a ragebait? i waiting for some argument this premium leopard in what better vs 12.0 abrams? leopard need uptier but abrams fine?
clearly overpowered!
Is this global all time stats? or just the stats you picked from a random month, just asking.
Also you clearly haven’t read forum, and making assumptions no one said Abrams is okay at 12 you’re just upset. Like I said, you really shouldn’t be on forums if you can’t read what people (including myself) have already said. Take care sir
man:D u wach for example statistic before for exampe some nations have good tanks and with some update get fair and competitive oponents “new mbts” to balanc game… u need to look on newest statistic… for example sep v3 and some abrams get a hull buff and u look on older:D other i dont se on leopard statistic way better than abrams and need to be 12.3-12,7