nah just rage bait good chose and i laugh, yhea still doing this i like read
You’ve been trying to move the goal post, drag this down into the mud, and attempt to make it all about personal attacks since virtually the beginning. Also, it’s rich coming from someone who’s barely even playing the game and spending most of his time on the forum.
This was one of the first things I said when I corrected your Germany suffers cope:
Sorry what? I have more games than you both this month and overall.
Do we really have to go over this again?
Top speed? Leopard 2A4
Acceleration? Leopard 2A4
Forwards hull traverse? T-80UD
Backwards hull traverse? Leopard 2A4
Reverse speed? Leopard 2A4
Neutral steering? Leopard 2A4
Gun depression? Leopard 2A4
Turret traverse? Leopard 2A4
Vertical gun traverse? Leopard 2A4
Reload rate? Tied/T-80UD
Penetration? T-80UD
Muzzle velocity? T-80UD
Thermal sights/optics? Leopard 2A4
Crew count? Leopard 2A4
Ammunition stowage? Tied/Leopard 2A4
Hull armour? T-80UD
Turret armour? T-80UD
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I love how you put basically everything into this, even “vertical gun traverse” to try and make it seem as if the Leopard 2A4 is better than it is. Good job, same for putting the T-80UD advantages some of which are way more impactful at the bottom!
But yes, those 6 km/h at top speed, which neither is going to reach in the average game of War Thunder is going to make all the difference! Odd you left out the 50cal on the T80UD btw.
It’s almost like gun elevation speed is one of the more important stats for high-top tier vehicles. This has been the case and quite obvious for anyone with any significant amount of time spent playing 10.0+.
Armor is only impactful if the enemy you are facing has bad aim. There is a reason why really good/pro players always prefer nations like France, Germany, Japan, US etc over Russia.
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Shocker! Someone who’s never played Russian/Soviet MBT’s doesn’t grasp how much of a limitation it is to have to deal with a 3.5° vertical traverse!
Surely at some point some degree of self-awareness on your end has to set in, right?
At some point you have to realize that you’re arguing from a point of ignorance because you’ve never played any of these tanks, you don’t know what their limitations are, what their weaknesses are, etc.
Yet somehow you’re confidently arguing these points regardless of said ignorance.
I’ve said it many times before: You’d cut down the number of ‘’[X] vehicle is too strong!‘’ complaints by 90% if you forced the complainer to play said vehicles themselves, instead of just facing it.
???
It’s just a list, it’s not ranked or ordered in any way.
8 km/h*
Not sure what point you’re attempting to make here, because that applies to both vehicles.
If a Leopard 2A4 is doing 50 km/h, the T-80UD is doing 40 km/h.
The Leopard 2A4 is at all times the MASSIVELY faster vehicle, regardless of whether they hit their theoretical top speed or not.
I also left out hull traverse initially, I’m human, I can forget things.
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having shit vertical traverse WILL kill you, it WILL prevent you from making kills that you could have made otherwise
a single puny little curb will completely throw off your aim and will make you miss
traversing a hill becomes much more dangerous since you cant react to threats effectively
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Partially true? It can’t save you if they hit the weakspot, but armor will ALWAYS cause a slower reaction time due to needing to take time to aim.
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hahahahah
t80UD has better damage, better protection and reloading. But it’s worse than a leopard, because a leopard is faster. I wonder if you read what you wrote yourself? 😂😂😂😂😂 lool
A typical defender of the USSR. Who is afraid of the balance of the game not in his favor
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That’s not how that works.
He quite literally said that in the very part you quoted.
Mate.
Ophthalmologist, time to visit perhaps?
In acceleration, top speed, reverse speed, hull traverse, neutral steering.
Then we’ve also got turret traverse, gun depression, vertical gun traverse, thermal sights, crew count and ammunition stowage safety, let’s not pretend that it’s ‘‘just’’ mobility.
Or, someone who plays multiple nations across multiple tiers, and therefore has a pretty decent understanding of balance between various vehicles.
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Is this the oh so overpowered T-80UD that you are talking about?
(don’t get me wrong, I agree that it should be 10.7, but if you are going to claim that something is OP at least do well in that vehicle)
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not helping your case lmao
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Maybe he let his stepsisters play the t-80ud? If he had played it himself it would be 10.0KD /s
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Those are supposed to be impressive or help your case? Barely going positive in the premium 2A4 and going negative in the TT 2A4 is not exactly something to brag about.
Other thing that doesn’t even makes sense is that if his t-80ud does gets moved up, his kd will go down even lower from 0.4 to even 0.2 and why would anyone wants that lol. Maybe one day decided to give something a go, played a few games and realized that this thing sucks balls/doesn’t fit his playstyle, decided to crawl back to his overall better vehicles Leopard and never touch the UD again, hence it explain why he wants to nerf something he weren’t going to play again (lol)
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I noticed while playing the BMPT the last few weeks that many in the Leopard 2A4 let the mobility go to their head. This is a common scenario, for example. For some, all that mobility is a curse, and it’s a gift to USSR players facing them.
Poor america, not in sight, they deserve more nerf… nerf? Let’s nerf F-15E
Is it the mobility, or is it their ego being completely off the rails due to their delulu fantasies as wittman wannabes clashing with the reality of them being .6 Gamer Gods ?
What you posted is straight up not paying attention, it’s nothing special, but often you’ll see a leopard commit suicide in an attempt to secure a kill because as soon as they get a whiff of an opportunity, they’re very willing to cross a blatant killzone because they can’t fathom that some people actually have a good first hit kill probability.