When someone asks for a tank to be downtiered, people will obviously compare it to tanks of the same proposed BR. Just looking at the stats of the T-72AV and you’ll see that the 2A4 is better in every way except armour, but even the armour disadvantage isnt huge.
The 2A4 has much better overall mobility, survivability, and gun handling. Plus the solution is to move the T-80UD to 10.7, and not move the 2A4 to 10.3. Moving it down will lead to BR recompression because several 10.3s will need to move down as to not be vastly outclassed at their BR.
But that’s being very selective. Comparing it only to the “worst” tanks, where even then they tend to have a small advantage over it feels like intentionally distorting the picture. Because similar to the T80UD there are other very much comparable tanks at a lower BR.
You could say the T80UD should move up, and I wouldn’t really disagree. But it and some other 10.3s who should be 10.7 haven’t moved up in forever and likely won’t. So moving the outlier down sees like the more realistic approach.
@_Renzo You really aren’t doing much besides flinging accusations and insults, are you?
Well I did, but you keep ignoring or trying to downplay the advantages of the 2A4 that I listed specifically because you want to make it appear weaker than it really is.
So yeah, I stopped taking you serious when I realized you are just a coping Germany player with not that much game knowledge of high-top tier.
You’ve been trying to move the goal post, drag this down into the mud, and attempt to make it all about personal attacks since virtually the beginning. Also, it’s rich coming from someone who’s barely even playing the game and spending most of his time on the forum.
I love how you put basically everything into this, even “vertical gun traverse” to try and make it seem as if the Leopard 2A4 is better than it is. Good job, same for putting the T-80UD advantages some of which are way more impactful at the bottom!
But yes, those 6 km/h at top speed, which neither is going to reach in the average game of War Thunder is going to make all the difference! Odd you left out the 50cal on the T80UD btw.
It’s almost like gun elevation speed is one of the more important stats for high-top tier vehicles. This has been the case and quite obvious for anyone with any significant amount of time spent playing 10.0+.
Armor is only impactful if the enemy you are facing has bad aim. There is a reason why really good/pro players always prefer nations like France, Germany, Japan, US etc over Russia.
Shocker! Someone who’s never played Russian/Soviet MBT’s doesn’t grasp how much of a limitation it is to have to deal with a 3.5° vertical traverse!
Surely at some point some degree of self-awareness on your end has to set in, right?
At some point you have to realize that you’re arguing from a point of ignorance because you’ve never played any of these tanks, you don’t know what their limitations are, what their weaknesses are, etc.
Yet somehow you’re confidently arguing these points regardless of said ignorance.
I’ve said it many times before: You’d cut down the number of ‘’[X] vehicle is too strong!‘’ complaints by 90% if you forced the complainer to play said vehicles themselves, instead of just facing it.
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It’s just a list, it’s not ranked or ordered in any way.
8 km/h*
Not sure what point you’re attempting to make here, because that applies to both vehicles.
If a Leopard 2A4 is doing 50 km/h, the T-80UD is doing 40 km/h.
The Leopard 2A4 is at all times the MASSIVELY faster vehicle, regardless of whether they hit their theoretical top speed or not.
I also left out hull traverse initially, I’m human, I can forget things.
t80UD has better damage, better protection and reloading. But it’s worse than a leopard, because a leopard is faster. I wonder if you read what you wrote yourself? 😂😂😂😂😂 lool
A typical defender of the USSR. Who is afraid of the balance of the game not in his favor
Those are supposed to be impressive or help your case? Barely going positive in the premium 2A4 and going negative in the TT 2A4 is not exactly something to brag about.
