the Leopard 2 PL should be at rank VII 11.7 like the Leopard 2A4M:
it’s the same as the Leo 2A4M but at rank VIII, and it doesn’t have sense.
Gaijin should put it at rank VII 11.7 so u can use it to grind rank VI tanks
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No.
There is no need for nerf to leopard 2pl.
It already should be buffed up with DM53.
Topic can be closed.
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irl it uses dm63
Do we have DM63 in game?
Doesn’t need it
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Different person dude
can’t you 3 have different profle pic, i thought i was talking with one person
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i never asked for a nerf
im saying that it should be rank VII like the Leopard 2A4M because it’s at the same BR and has technically a worst shell, but better armor and mobility.
it should stay at 11.7, cuz there’s a lot of vehicles that can annihilate it in higher BRs, but it should be rank VII and not VIII, cuz there’s no reason to put it at that rank when it has the same BR as other tank that’s literally the same (Leopard 2A4M and 2 PL are both Leopard 2A4 but modified)
Rank VII means it loses stock APFSDS. So yeah moving it down to rank VII is indeed a nerf.
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it’s just a stock APFSDS, the life with it or without it doesn’t have many difference.
u can one-shot many things with the HEAT-FS just like with the APFSDS.
yeah, it’s a f*cking pain to grind APFSDS shell in many tanks, but that’s like in every single vehicle that starts with a bad shell like the shermans, the IS-2s, the Type 74s, the Leclercs, etc
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Bringing it down is a nerf.
It would lose it stock apfsds and players would need to grind it with HEAT fs
Skill issue! absolutely not. We’ve already had this discussion long ago, gaijin try’d to move it down due to its poor performance before and the community was overwhelmingly against it. It performed poorly due to low level players acquiring it through the squadron system and killing any means of gaining accurate player statistics who would normally have access to that BR. The vehicle is extremely capable and doesn’t need to be moved.
Right now alot Leopard 2 cluster up around max BR. Which makes no sense. Leopard 2A5 is barely top tier capable with its short low pressure gun, bad gunners thermals and insufficient hull armor.
So 2A5 should be 11.3
Both upgraded Leopard 2A4 (the 4M and PL) have weaker turret armor and ammo than A5, but compensate with their thermal viewers.
So 2PL and 2A4M should be both 11.3 as well.
The other three: A6, PSO and A7V should be the only ones at 12.0 max BR.
It just makes no sense that they’re all more or less max BR. 12.0 or 11.7. There is a huge difference between the A7V and the A5/A4M/2PL.
Would rather have 2PL get proper DM53 instead.
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It never used DM53, 2PL mod is to modern for this old shell. Its service shell isn’t ingame. Also consider Ger has some air assets at 11.3. Currently the Nado has absolutely no ground lineup to suppoert its BR. Would make sense for Ger to have an 10.7, 11.3 and 12.0 lineup.
Then why does it use the DM-43? I don’t remember it ever having it