Leopard 2 PL

Dunno, DM48 was a late 1980ties development. 2PL was delivered 2020 to Poland. There are decades between both. They never ever could have ‘met’ each other. The ingame 2A4 could have used it, but this one didn’t even get access to DM33.

Dunno what Gajin is up to. All Ger tanks get ammo from decades ago, which they never used. It starts with the Leopard 2A4 army model, which is stuck with DM23 and goes all the way up to the Leopard 2A7, which has to use DM53, a late 1990ties/early 2000ts development.

Ru tanks are exactly the opposite. Some get ammo which is simply too modern.

11.7*

The Leopard 2A5 is superior to a T-72B3, B3A, T-80U, Challenger 2, 2 OES, 2 (2F), etc. which are all 11.7’s.

I get that we’re limited by the BR compression, but it should never be lower than those vehicles which are all inferior to it.
I’m also dubious about the Leopard 2A5 being the same BR as a IPM1, at the very least it would need to have it’d DM53 replaced by DM33 for 11.3 to be anywhere near acceptable.

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Why should it be two BR steps lower than 2A6 when it’s only con to that vehicle is slightly less penetration on the shell ?

Dropping 2A5 to 11.7 would be an insult to many 11.7/12.0s that are straight up worse.
Pushing things down just creates more problems but elsewhere, so most of the times BR decompression is the only solution.

Nah, this huge Leopard bubble at 12.0 / 117 makes no sense. Stretch it out a bit. I wan’t lineups to fly the Tornado. Right now Germany is just lineup capable at 10.7 and 12.0. There is nothing in between, its sad that the 12.3 Tiger Heli, the Nado and some others have no ground lineups.

Not all wedged Leopard 2 tanks are that good, that every single one has to be at 12.0 or 11.7 (which is the same as top tier^^).

I did address that in my comment, the issue is that there’s 2A5-equivalent vehicles already at 11.7 with the M1A2, AIM, HC, etc.
These M1’s are just better Leo 2A5’s is nearly every regard, yet they’ve been sitting at 11.7 for quite a while now.

There’s also a strong argument that those lackluster 11.7’s (T-72B3, B3A, Chally 2, 2 OES, etc.) should be sitting at 11.3 instead.
I have no idea why a M1A1 is at a lower BR than a Chally 2 OES or T-72B3.

In the past I’ve said numerous times that Germany is lacking a IPM1/M1A1/T-80UM2 counterpart at 11.0-11.3, that’d ideally have to be a Leopard 2A4 C Technologie /w DM33.

That doesn’t justify under tiering vehicles.

By that same logic: The IPM1 and M1A1 are the same BR, so IPM1 to 11.0 when?
T-80UM2 to 11.0 when?

Thats also what I had in mind. If these are at 11.7, the modded 2A4’s and the A5 need to be at 11.3. Otherwise bubble up these high end M1 tanks at 12.0 as well.

Vehicle “bubbles” aren’t a reason to change the BR of vehicles. The A5 is probably better than the Chinese 12.0 tanks, there’s no way it could go to 11.3 without getting a large nerf in some way.

But they aren’t 12.0 capable unlike the leopard 2A5.

Why is a Leopard 2A5 12.0 capable, but a M1A2 isn’t?

11.7*

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Holy German main cope. These are the delusional Thodin takes that I was used to back on the old forums.

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Those M1s could easily go up to 12.0 after they’ve received 5s reload. They are straight up upgrades over Challengers but somehow sit at a lower BR.

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IIRC, the M1A2 went down after it had already received the reduced reload time.

Again, we’re cherry-picking the worst MBT’s here, that’s not fair as comparing against those CR2’s can make anything seem under tiered.

Challengers are the ones that deserve to go down to 11.3, not the other way around.

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technically it’s not a nerf

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Technically it is a nerf, because it impacts negatively vehicle

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in resume: gaijin should add 13.0/14.0 to ground vehicles to they can decompress

then tell gaijin to make an exception and give Leo 2 PL the stock APFSDS even if it’s at rank VII

Not going to happen.

Just let it go dude.

Leo 2pl is rank 8 and its not changing.

Which makes no sense at all.

They were just an example and are definitely not the only ones at 12.0 that are worse than 11.7 M1s.
If Gaijin is happy to keep those at 12.0, I seriously don’t know why those 11.7 M1s aren’t 12.0 yet, as they’re clearly on par at the very least.

As for the 2A5 going to 11.7 in the current game climate, hell no.
That would be a seriously ludicrous move to make.