in this case. the Leclerc Evolution was Nexter who approached KNDS to potentially sell it to India. the tank needed to have no German part that had a license that prevented it from being sold to other countries. it could eventually get an Indian flag on it in the following year.
but whatever. I will put a mention.
Unlikely gsjin specialy stated in the dev blog that benelux does not have enough /variety/ to big of gaps etc to be its own stand alone tree
Leclerc evolution has the embt turret designed by france and germany together. So yes it has parts
This is a misguided view. Germany only blocks the sale of equipment that they have developed/co-developed if the country in question has been found to be in breach of international laws (or national), and as such has been placed under an embargo. India is not such a country (Arjun was designed with KMW’s input and it has German parts in itself, namely, the engine which is a cranked up Leopard 1 engine). Most of the time Germany is chill about exports… unless well, you’re from the ME and do shady stuff.
in this case, it’s mostly to make the negotiation easier.
instant of negotiating with a country to sell a tank and another to be allowed to sell it, they can just sell the tank.
previously there was a lot of sale that was cancelled due to the German part in it. Germany can sometimes be peeked on who can get the vehicle. even transferring an existing vehicle from one country to another still requires the consent of Germany.
but this depends on the part. many German-made parts are not regulated. but Germany is no different than any other country. USA, France, UK, Japan, Korea, and even Canada have their say on where the AFV they sell goes. it’s usually part of the deal.
now when you are negotiating the sale of a very high-tech vehicle like a next-generation MBT, you have to go through all the parts that have a regulation and tell the other country what can be done with it, where they can find replacement, who can use it. there might be thousands of parts like that and sometimes the country does not agree with the regulation or the price of a specific part so they try to change it for something else.
now imagine talking with a country, negotiating the supply, license, production, and usage of a single part with a country, and at the same time for every one of those parts, you need to go back to another country and ask them “Do you agree with that term” you have the risk to have a “no” for an answer, then you got to either negotiate with this other country or go back with the country with who you sell the tank to offer an alternative saying “I am sorry, but the term we agree is not possible, let’s start over”
do you have any idea a headache it is to sell a tank like that?
and this is some time out of pure competition. sometimes the “no” means “No, I do not want you to sell this tank because I want them to buy my tank” it happened before, and many awesome tanks were just never produced because of that despite having the prototype working perfectly well and with excellent characteristics.
it’s just easier to not have this extra complicated step to go through.
Already there is so many parts that is found in different companies that all have different regulations. you do not need to add a foreign country in the negotiation to act as an “overlord” for the rights of the parts.
Yes ,but you are talking about what ifs etc.
As it stands the leclerc evolution as we know it does have german parts in it.
The EMBT turret was designed from ground up together between gwrmany and france
What? No HE-DP ammo for the 30mm? Why?
Its compatible with all 30mm nato ammunition.
Generaly dont believe to much in this suggestion
The guy has several mistakes in it like the type of rcws and the atgm missle being used. He believes to much into french cooperation in this project and that thr rcws and atgm are french when they are in fact not.
Quick example the atgm launcher is already known by the boxer rct 120 and supposed for spikes and not the MMP from franch
This tank with Rh 120 L/55 120 mm smoothbore gun and 3rd generation thermal like Leopard 2A7 but features an active protection system (APS)
Sorry, I don’t know Leopard 2 A-RC 3.0 would be 12.0 or 12.3 BR
Not to mention. 2a7v hull and then greek era put on top
nope, it’s not compatible with all 30mm Nato
it use the 30x113 mm B which is specifically sourced to be the ammunition used on the tiger helicopter.
the Tiger uses the 30mm DEFA ammunition but also have the dedicated ammunition.
currently there is no proxy fuze in services. there is the SAPHE and HEI.
currently, no proximity fuze is known. this gun was designed 20 years ago. the drone warfare wasn’t yet a thing.
while it’s true there is a mistake is some of my suggestions, it remains that I use the more reliable sources available and sometimes it’s from the provider itself.
i know you are still mad about the Challenger 130 but here is what a good source looks like
the gun was made by Nexter, it would be natural to have Nexter’s ammo. they are already in game.
additionally, there is the Brazilian MIL-C-46578D from CBC defense which is also compatible and has API rounds
the gun is not compatible with the round made by General Dynamit as far as I know.
@Ghostmaxi here is the answer about the 30mm. the gun wasn’t designed for drones, it’s for close defense. they might have a new round but I saw nothing so far. currently, the ammunition is designed for air-to-air and air-to-ground.
the BR is going to be raised if Gaijin sees the need for it.
the aircraft is already going as high as 13.0 the tanks could be raise too.
there is still a lot of planes to add. especially from USA. the BR would need to be raised eventually. tanks too.
i would not be surprised to see the limit at 15.0 eventually. this tank could easily be much higher than 12.3. surely above 13.0
how about we first look at the spreadsheet of the damn leopard 2 A-RC 3.0 itself which you havent realy referenced and should have added them here themself
then there is the obvious different turret
So why do you just say its the ARX 30 you dont know that it is. You just think it is. You have no document stating it is this specific rcws
And btw since you want proof so much, here is the rct 120 turret which the leo 2 arc 3 is based on. Ignoring the rcws which is 12.7mm here
We see the atgm launcher. which is specialy named as spikes
i am not mad, you just are stating things that factualy arent completly true
Both the leclerc evolution and the embt adt 140 both specialy state the ARX30 in their spread sheets. Did you try bother to think about why the leopard is the exception? Maybe because its a different gun or sth they are working on
There is a issue the turret, armor and hull are patented under KMW
Yes, we need it, BR like 13.0 or something, together with abrams X, t14 etc
You haven’t proved that at all. It is far more likely to be the American M230LF, which KMW has used in their previous RCWS FLW500.
Gun compared to FLW500
Gun compared to ARX30’s 30M781MPG
Not to mention that the M230LF also states NATO standard 30x113 (which ironically your source on the ARX30 fails to mention):
Here are my sources:
could be. i will keep an eye on it to see if the gun was not simply wrong.
i got to admit, this gun was identified as M781MPG is based on the identification of the barrel and the fact the KNDS was using this gun on related development. there is no source mentioning the gun as the M781MPG
in which case, the 30mm will surely have access to the proximity fuze as well as more punchy ammo
what you call factual not completely true are the only sources of facts.
i still have not seen any source that says otherwise outside “I said so”
man none of yours do either and the gun its the most look alike to the one shown in the leopard 2 ARC 3.0 also the tank was a tech demonstrator specifically from KMW who had patented the turret the modular armor for the turret the autoloader and some other stuff found in the tank
So there is HE-DP ammo. :)
