lmao
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You do realise that Leo 1 was complete change in how Germans approached tanks?
It is supposed to have weak armor. The reason, why it is so high, is because of its gun and mobility.
If you put it lower in BR it will eat everything for breakfast.
Its funny you mention BMPs rocket, because heat projectiles were exactly the reason, why Germans didn’t bother with armor anymore.
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Indeed I don’t rely on its armor but sometimes I find myself in situations where my mobility does not help, on big, open maps, which is most of them my tank lacks in rangefinder and thermals,
So I just find myself sniped by a vidar, sniped by a heli or just too many enemy tanks overpressuring me while my teammates don’t do nothing to help me fight.
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Leopard 1 is fine at 8.0 the issue is several 8.7 tanks which have yet to move up in BR such as the T-55AM-1
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Average Germany player coming off the Tigers and Panthers and unaware of how to play a vehicle that isn’t armored to hell
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It never ate anything for breakfast, it’s always been a mediocre vehicle at 7.7 and even at 7.3 it was meh, at 8.0 it’s entirely outclassed and doesn’t even hold a positive k/d anymore.
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The STB is basically a better leopard with stab. The same with the AMX30 (faster, better armored, no ammorack, and a 20mm coax). Its outclassed by anthing. It will go down in BR in the next Update for sure.
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You’re joking right?
The Leopard 1 is stupid good.
Its the fastest MBT by a mile in its BR, 400pen HEAT, 16x zoom. Literally the only downside is it doesnt have a stab.
It doesnt play like any of the previous german tree. Play it like a light tank, flank and engage long range.
It definitely does not need to go down.
Not even close. The STB was a better leopard, but then they nerfed all the things that made it better.
Its also 0.3 higher BR, and always has been. (It was 0.7 higher before they did the BR decompression and the Leopard rightly got raised up because it was criminally undertiered)
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It’s not even that fast, definitely nothing special at the BR that it’s at, 400pen HEAT is pointless when both HEATFS and APDS are hot garbage at the moment, 16x zoom is detrimental more than anything and few to no maps at all even accommodate that range.
Paper tank with good mobility and average firepower amongst paper and non paper tanks with similar mobility, better firepower, thermals and stabilizers.
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The leopard is played as support tank and sniper which mean you don’t go 1vs1 battle is suicide against T-54 and T-55 tanks. I tested the swedish prem leopard and and is totally out of question in 1vs1 battle against any verhicles with autocannon and 100mm cannon and above.
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Have you played other MBTs at that BR? Its absurdly fast.
Try comparing it to like the T95E1 or a Centurion lol.
The zoom helps, its 8-16x. You dont have to use the 16x.
HEATFS is fine. APDS is hit and miss.
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Yeah, comparing it to one of the slowest MBTs will make most things look good.
What else is in that BR range?
PTL? AFT? WMA? Lorraine? AMX? MARS? Aubl? R3 T106? Type 87 RCV and P? BMD? XM-1 and 803?
Hardly has exclusive rights to that speed advantage, and a lot of those things have stabilizers, thermals and the likes.
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You just compared an MBT having the same speed to a pile of wheeled light tanks/IFVs, most of which are up to 1.0 higher BR than the Leo.
I dont think thats helping your argument.
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Yes, because it’s a pointless argument to limit the comparison to other MBTs when the matches aren’t limited to other MBTs… I can be a good fighter for my weight class but if heavy weights are allowed to participate it doesn’t mean anything.
And yes they are up to 1 BR higher, that doesn’t stop them from matching with the Leo.
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So you are saying the 8.0 Leopard 1 as an MBT is just as fast as a bunch of 8.0-9.0 wheeled light tanks, while also having more armour than all of them, while running rings around other MBTs at its tier (many of which also dont get stabs btw) and an equivalent gun to all of them, is somehow overtiered compared to all those other vehicles?
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No, those other vehicles are generally faster which will nullify most of that speed advantage, assuming the linear map design doesn’t already… and whilst mobility is nice, it doesn’t really guarantee kills or anything, especially not with the lack of a stabilizer and the excessive zoom causing massive swaying of the barrel.
More armor probably, but cardboard is also thicker than paper, it can be a bit trolly though which is really more valuable than the actual armor.
It might run rings around a few other MBTs… the Centurion as you say, but that has a stabilizer.
Maybe a T-55A, but that has a lot more armor and also a stabilizer and APFSDS.
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HEAT-FS works against thick armor that isn’t composite.
APDS works when the shell size is over 100mm, in the case of the Leo 1 it is.
The tank is very effective in terms of firepower.
It’s faster than the majority of MBTs at its BR range.
It has superb firepower for its BR.
It outclasses its contemporaries in terms of mobility.
No tank at its BR range is commonly using thermals.
Stabilizers are the one true negative of the tank but that’s why you get to be 8.0
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What MBT at 7.3 - 8.7 is faster than the Leopard 1
The Leo 1 was always meh.
It has strenghts but they don’t mean much nowadays.
I’m mean how did the Lorraine 40t went from, what, 6.7 to 7.7?
The Leopard went from 7.7 to 7.3 and now 8.0 while the Lorraine stayed the at 7.7, a fast medium tank that can’t rely on armor.
The Leopard needs to be played like a long range ambush sniper, which isn’t possible most of the time.
The Lorrain is a flanking brawler that demolish targets in seconds.
The Leopard has amazing shell velocity and high penetration, which again, great at range but that rarely happends and penetration is overrated.
Why have high penetration when you can have enough penetration but kill targets more quickly?
Fast light vehicles counter the Leopards speed advantage on the battlefield while slower but better armored vehicles are tougher for the light tanks to take out.
I loved the Vickers MBT at 7.7 with that 5s reload but now the Leo without stab is on the same BR despite a longer reload. Sure the mobility is better but 5s reload stabilized APDS is just such a big boost in firepower that it’s hardly comparable.
What the Leopard 1 needs is a RoF buff to 5s just like the Vickers MBT.
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It was given its historical reload rate.