Leo 2A4 vs Russia

I’ve recently started playing 10.7 (GB/SWE) as my normal go to lineup and I’m genuinely dumbfounded by trying to fight soviet MBTs in the Leo 2A4. I normally stick to STRF 9040C / CV9030 Mk.4 as my go tos (normally finish in top 5 on scoreboard) but I try and play with Leo 2a4 just to get better with an MBT myself (bottom of scoreboard). I don’t understand how it’s at all balanced that I need to play surgeon to pick apart a Russian MBT, not even accounting for random pixel traps or 0 damage to breech shots. With equally competent teams if Russia takes over the initial points and simply holds them rather than pushing like morons there’s no way to unstick them from there without CAS. I’ve played RUS 10.7 with several of the premiums there and it’s always a cake walk from the other end.

Rant aside, everyone always hypes up Leo 2A4s as amazing and Im lost as to what is even decent about this tank. I demolish it when I fight them and I get molested when I play in it. Please lmk.

Its good overall package. Jack of all trades etc.

Tanks like T-80UD might have better armor and firepower but try to reverse out of bad spot with T-80UD or position yourself with worse gun depression.

Because they are amazing, some of the best 10.7’s in the game. Just have to play them to learn how to use them.

But in a head to head where both get the shot off, the T-80UD likely survives and autoreloads, and the 2A4 eats a frontplate shot and is either dead or with a 50 second repair.

Absolutely.

Thats why you need to try and avoid these scenarios in the first place.

Luckily 2A4 can do that, outside of urban maps that is.

So back at the original post mentioning holding objectives. If you have to push a hull down T series or you lose the match, how does a leo win that fight. Objectives are inherently close quarters on most maps. A T-80 swinging you close quarters has a very good chance of winning if you’re the defender since you’re busy aiming for his driver hatch or lfp. Winning games requires playing up close and personal.

How would you go about pushing a T-80 holding an objective?

Turret roof, gun breech.

True.

That depends on multiple factors. You cant just announce every situation is like this.

Not neccesarily.

Outmanuevering the oponent and denying him the chance to play up close and personal in the first place is viable tactic too.

Sure, not doable on every map, but id take 2A4 over T-80UD on maps like Fulda, maginot, or sinai any day.

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Exploit it’s many weaknesses, which are mobility, gun depression and gun handling.

And the T-80UDs are pretty meh up close due to their terrible mobility.

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Eh, IMO theyre bad at corner camping but they have armor and forward mobility to aggresively push - as long as you dont push into five enemies at once that is.

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Leos ain’t bad but russian mbt is just easy to play, the reason the t-80 seems good is because little timmy can easily get a couple of kills by driving straight and firing you cant really do that with a leopard 2

They are not terrible at it, but aggressively pushing in the T-80UD also just requires on the enemy not being too good at the game. Personally I hate relying on luck/chance, which is why I prefer pretty much every other tank at that BR.

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I removed 2a4 from lineup and played 10.3 so I dont face bmpts

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Of course against sweatlord supreme 9000 id rather be in more mobile, agile tank, but seeing what the average WT player is, T-80UD is relaxing experience.

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I doubt this is a cake walk.

NATO MBTs like the Leopard 2A4 are played differentely than Russian ones. Russian MBTs have strong armor and may seen OP due to that. But the weak spots are always the same and not too hard to hit, when you know the game a bit.
Apart from that, they don’t have the best top speed, no reverse but awful gun depression.
2A4 mogs the hell out of Russians in those categories. Yes, front armor easily penetrated.
Its not a frontline MBT, you have to flank and use the mobility.

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Mainly played USSR when I was much worse at the game so my stats are very negatively skewed, all my recent games with them have been victories.