This is such outer stellar take…
It gets a low speed stab. That’s it… y’all act like it’s made of 1000mm armor, and fires nuclear bombs.
Like am I crazy here? @quartas121 am I missing something?
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Lol shermans cant reverse, they are generally much slower and the gun is worse then the 85mm.
Hows that comparison going to work? the standart T-34-85 is already 5.7 and the T44-85 is already 6.3.
U cant put the tank that is superiour to the T44-85 on a lower level. Hows that supposed to be fair?
By that argument, why is the T20 not 5.3 anymore? It has less armor then the Shermans…
You did not just say the gun is worse…
76mm has 147 pen with 75.66 g he
85mm has 148 with 77 g he
They are practically the same.
Reverse for the Sherman’s 3.8 mph.
For the T-34-85 5.2 mph.
The br of the Sherman’s is already lower than the 85’s
Also it has worse armor than the T-44-85… which is also over br’d, it should be 6.0
Speaking of which, the T-34-85s are all going to rank III which means their rewards are already getting nerfed…
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oh dear…
first of all u should shoot the capped ammo in the 85mm, if u shot the 148mm pen one ure using the wrong one. The capped ammo of the 85mm is by far superior to the 76 M62. Just look at the pen values on distance and angle and ofc the TNT inside it. U hit a random cupola… enemy dead xD
I dont need to tell you that 5.2mph is around 37% faster do i? Its the difference of being able to get behind cover/ridgeline in 6 seconds (before enemy reloads) or if you need 37% longer (8.16 seconds)
The reverse speed is the only reason the T20 IS at 6.3.
Reverse speed is importand!
Oh and btw, t44-85 is totally fine at 6.3. It has the much better BR 367 and enough hullarmor to not get random shot asskicked by the 76 or 85mm or a pzIV. Definitly harder to crack then the t34s but not by much. Only the real t44 hull is a monster.
oh and shermans are also 5.7… so where are they lower br? The slowreload t34-85 starts 5.3 and the lower shermans have a differend engine and/or hull then the 5.7. U ever played the 5.0 sherman? That thing is superslow.
I mean stab is solid, what speed is it good up to btw?
I see why you keep comparing it to your prized T20 lol. You know, your most played tank?
The T20: slightly better armor.
Faster reload by 1.5 secs
Smaller overall size.
Better reverse.
Roof mounted .50 cal.
-10 gun depression
Stabalized in 1 plane
Hence 6.3
T-34-85 (any model):
Sloped armor 7.4 max reload speed.
Similar acceleration to the T20 1 less mph top end though.
-5 gun depression.
Sherman’s (I’ve spaded all of them btw ;) ):
5.3: slightly slower
Armor: compared to the T-34s, worse angle, but higher amount.
Also a 5.9 sec load time.
Better overall turret armor than the T-34s, being thicker, but also slightly bigger.
Again, roof mounted .50 cal.
-10 gun depression
Stabilized in 1 plane
5.7 pretty much just a faster 5.3 Sherman.
Sorry folks, still looks like T-34 is still worse
Also, I tried Br-365 like you suggested, I thought it was pointless, and boy was I right. Non-penned a Tiger twice! Wow! What a great shell…
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On the T-34-85? 25 kph apparently
Hmm that’s not bad. What BR is the regular one?
5.7 but it’s going from rank 4 → rank 3 this new one is also going to be rank 3
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Then 6.0 would make sense assuming all else remains the same
I still think an introductory 5.7 would make the most sense. If it proves too good. Then 6.0, but even at 5.7, there’s a lot of 6.3 / 6.7s it will struggle immensely against.
(Ignore the game I just went 13 and 0 with a nuke in, in my T-34-85E, with an ace crew).
I think even the Bp’s T-44-85 may be a bit over tiered. Having equally bad armor as a T-34-85, but the true benefit being the BR-367 shell. You still won’t kill a Tiger II frontally or many 6.7s, but it will give you a better chance against 6.3s and some 6.7s
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I think 6.0 is pretty safe, I mean if you hold like 24 kph then you are fairly mobile and can fire much more effectively on the move. Having a stabilizer is generally pretty nice and I’d say it warrants a .3 increase from the start
So does that mean the Sherman’s should go up to 6.0? Especially the Jumbo, given the fact it’s vastly more effective?
No, they are already at a BR accounting for their stabilizer. The Jumbo should be lower than Tiger Tank anyways
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I beg to differ. Jumbo has good armor, less weak points frontally, and has god tier turret armor all around, better reload, smaller barrel, so harder to break, better turret traverse, stabalizer, roof mounted .50 cal, etc.
Tiger has angled armor, and more HE filler.
Given other options of other nations at 5.7, I cannot agree that 6.0 is a reasonable br to start.
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yea im mostly working on getting crew levels up so I can actually expert stuff. i shot through the USSR tree so damn fast I’m still on level 9 crews at 5.7
“low” speed. its staying stable up to some very nice speeds which gives a huge edge against every common tank to see,
no we arent. it will be a T34 at 6.3 so its armour has reached its wits end but APHE hits so wonderfully hard its a total baby mode compared to APDS. its been refreshing playing the communist tree for the BP challenge mission.
For reference of a similar vehicle, Centurion mk2 is fully stabilised at 6.7, its gun and shell is what we see at 5.3 just like the T34-85 (with the worse D5 gun), its armour is a bit better due to it being a hull we first see at 6.0 but this is countered by poor mobility. its BR is higher to hold the better stabilisation (stability until 15mph is still very very good mind you) into account. Therefore 6.3 suits well.
I also fully anticipate to see the BR 367 shell on this tank too, the APHE we see on the T44 at 6.7 to assist in it fighting at the BR, same gun after all in both T34-85 and T44
yes. You’re blinded by nation/vehicle mainism. Any stance that would nerf or balance your nation or vehicle of your choice or favour you see as absurd or anti said thing.
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its a box with 100mm of flat armour, you have to angle it to your enemies and even then a load of guns will carve through just fine, including the D5 on the T34-85, been very fun bullying tigers in uptiers as their armour is worthless.
the best shell jumbo has is comparable to the T34-85 D5, little worse TNT and little worse pen but that’s still enough to one shot a hull penetration or turn a turret into a syrup.
Quite bad mobility in comparison but the armour is very good. long barrel jumbo id put at 6.0, short barrel at 5.3 as its not penning a damn thing unless you’re actually good with that 3.3 gun, wont even pen a panther turret so you just cant do a thing against them.
Ah yes I’m blinded by nation mainism lolz
You picked a great example! The cent mk.2 fully stabalized at 6.7, GREAT APDS, good reload, okay mobility, good armor. Etc.
You know, all the things that wouldddd warrant a big br gap. And i remember when it came in at 6.3!
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Brother just said the Tiger is slow… it’s really not, it’s armor is really good too, often it take a 90MM heat, or a 122mm to kill me, and it always 1 taps.
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