fox is an average small light. plus from the raw skill issue germans had when it was 6.7 people had a lot of time to get really good with it. I aced the things crew in a week from blind tiger 2 players and from knowing the vehicle can punch above its weight quite well
Ratel is at a lower BR where people haven’t learned to use such vehicles yet. Its also not .50 cal proof so you need to be more aware to use it.
Either way a MILAN ATGM has no business facing tiger 1. it should be 7.3 and i don’t care if it would be irrelevant higher up from it
There is so many stuff that is on the wrong BR… Ratel 20 is really not even in the top 50 of Vehicles that needs to be addressed.
For me personally not even on the list at all. Its simply super easy to defeat, has nothing special going for it… and that is also reflected in the Vehicle Stats… so…
btw thunderstats statistics are for “last 30 days” … so no its not reflecting the stats when it came out over 12 Months ago…
I agree its not super high priority and stats are not great (just like all other SA vehicles)
Its just one that really bugs me as I already feel bad for tiger 1s with how much of a pincushion they are. a MILAN ATGM smacking them when that missile also negates the armour on an IS-6 is just brutal. Theres OP vehicles and then there’s weapons which just shouldn’t be seen until everyone is on newer tech even if the carrier is pretty bad it still has no fair reasoning to be there with such ordianance. its like a ME262 seeing aim9b if it was strapped to a swordfish kind of stupid
I dont mind to face “unrealistic” scenarios, where a MILAN is used against a Tiger 2, as long as its balanced, and i dont see the Ratel 20 very good in many scenarios on the WT battlefield. On a long range map maybe, but then on these Maps CAS is super stong due to the AA being farer away, making u an freekill and also on long range maps u face the issue that the MILAN is slower then an APHE shell… so thats that. If u manage to only show the Launcher, and hide the rest behind a ridge… then maybe… but how often will that be and what do u do after that or before?
If at all i say… as long as the oponnent has a good chance of defeating you… its fine…
thats also why i absolutly hate CAS… if i want to see u dead… u will die and u cant do shit about it… only after you died and respawned maybe.
I cant help but think that shooting a missile into the middle of a ww2 tank and blowing it to hell isn’t very fair as I’m mostly using it for close quarters ambush. ambushing so close they didn’t know I was there.
and when its distance I didn’t need to leas a shot to hit where I wanted to hit. just mouse aim. Its unfair and poor class
you cant center mass shoot a tiger 2 with almost all guns of the BR, only one I know of that can is the 20pdr APDS and that’s only as a perfect front on and from very close up and doesn’t have the spall to clean out the whole crew most the time. the MILAN just goes clean through, wipes the whole crew with it and you have the 20mm to chew up the barrel if you wiffed the hit.
Tiger 2 can center of mass shot you aswell, dosnt even need to do that to kill Ratel 20… but ratel 20 need to, especially sideways u have to carefully aim the back of the turred, otherwise u likely dont oneshot it.
U see it as a benefit to be able to kill a tank center of mass… i see that as a deficite that u have to, for most tanks. (tiger 2 is a bad example as it has the most useless turred design)
Especially at that BR, APHE does wonders. If i could use it on all tanks, i would.
Just take it as a compliment that u can do the trick in the Ratel 20. But bringing that think to a higher BR? 7.0 is T44-100, T29, Tiger 2 10.5 with rangefinder, ZSU 57, AMX M4, EBR already… and i would definitly say that all of the listed are much stronger.
well yea, its a heavy tank of ww2. its got a big gun.
the ratel is a LATE 1970s AFV built for the Border war with ordinance that hammered things of that generation.
Its cheesing the game not having to try and guide the missile while everyone else needs to go for the weakspot on the best armoured heavy tank of the BR. often putting a shell through the gunners face will throw enough into the ammo bustle to make a firework even with solid shots.
APHE does overperform while everything else that should be around there is gimped out of relevancy
Im usually one of if not the most experienced player in a 6.7 lobby so I have the natural edge however I still don’t like that I’m bearing the cross of carrying 6.7 teams and being capable of doing it in the Ratel. Im frequently doing 5 kills per game in the thing now life figured it out. Id do probably better at 7.3 with it as there’s more smaller light armoured stuff to make the 20mm more than a track and barrel torturer.
the common WT player is pretty bad these days, as most dont play the game as a Teambased PvP shooter and more as a lets do 1-2 rounds a day, talk to some buddys maybe, get rid of some time grinding game u play while listeing to music or waiting for dinner.
Play a bit more and u will quickly think that many vehicles need a BR raise, till u played them all and then u understand. If u only play Brits u will never fully realise.
joking aside, what do u think should the BR of a stabilised T34-85 with or without BR 367 be?
5.7 no chance
6.0 no chance
6.3 is the t44-85 with the br 367 and a hull thats comparable to the t34, T20 is there with a limited stabi and a worse gun and ammo but more nimble and better depression and a .50
6.7 could work without the BR 367, sitting side by side with the IS-2, T44 is 6.7 with the t44 chassi but the 85 with BR 367.
7.0 could work even better if it gets the BR 367.
U could say… the T44 has better Chassi then the t34, but if it gets the same ammo, the t34-85 Taran could definitly be on paar with the t44 or higher.
u cant really count germany, thank to the players that play them… ehm… and thats coming from a german… and rus 6.7 is barely played i would say. to big of a gab there. In general there arend many good 6.7 lineups left in comparasion to the past…
Ive played a lot of the T34-85 recently for the BP challenges and its incredibly powerful, great armour for a medium and that gun is incredible at kicking panthers and tigers to death to the point that uptiers are as easy as downtiers. giving it stabilisation would make it still very effective at 6.3. Yes there’s heavy compression above that but this isn’t an excuse to compress below
I love the Tiger 2, it plays incredibly well but my lord the teammates are about are as good at the game as if I gave one of my cats (who doesn’t have working front legs) a controller to play.
I’m almost at 6.7 USSR, after how often the IS2 has eaten 7.7 shells from me I’m looking forward to the bloodbath
Yea, i love the IS-2… great gun, good mobility, good reverse, weirdly strong armor, also against bombs its superb… good in almost everythink and also the 6.7 has a .50.
Just get your crew level and buy the SL expert, otherwise u reload for ages.