So does that mean the Sherman’s should go up to 6.0? Especially the Jumbo, given the fact it’s vastly more effective?
No, they are already at a BR accounting for their stabilizer. The Jumbo should be lower than Tiger Tank anyways
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I beg to differ. Jumbo has good armor, less weak points frontally, and has god tier turret armor all around, better reload, smaller barrel, so harder to break, better turret traverse, stabalizer, roof mounted .50 cal, etc.
Tiger has angled armor, and more HE filler.
Given other options of other nations at 5.7, I cannot agree that 6.0 is a reasonable br to start.
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yea im mostly working on getting crew levels up so I can actually expert stuff. i shot through the USSR tree so damn fast I’m still on level 9 crews at 5.7
“low” speed. its staying stable up to some very nice speeds which gives a huge edge against every common tank to see,
no we arent. it will be a T34 at 6.3 so its armour has reached its wits end but APHE hits so wonderfully hard its a total baby mode compared to APDS. its been refreshing playing the communist tree for the BP challenge mission.
For reference of a similar vehicle, Centurion mk2 is fully stabilised at 6.7, its gun and shell is what we see at 5.3 just like the T34-85 (with the worse D5 gun), its armour is a bit better due to it being a hull we first see at 6.0 but this is countered by poor mobility. its BR is higher to hold the better stabilisation (stability until 15mph is still very very good mind you) into account. Therefore 6.3 suits well.
I also fully anticipate to see the BR 367 shell on this tank too, the APHE we see on the T44 at 6.7 to assist in it fighting at the BR, same gun after all in both T34-85 and T44
yes. You’re blinded by nation/vehicle mainism. Any stance that would nerf or balance your nation or vehicle of your choice or favour you see as absurd or anti said thing.
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its a box with 100mm of flat armour, you have to angle it to your enemies and even then a load of guns will carve through just fine, including the D5 on the T34-85, been very fun bullying tigers in uptiers as their armour is worthless.
the best shell jumbo has is comparable to the T34-85 D5, little worse TNT and little worse pen but that’s still enough to one shot a hull penetration or turn a turret into a syrup.
Quite bad mobility in comparison but the armour is very good. long barrel jumbo id put at 6.0, short barrel at 5.3 as its not penning a damn thing unless you’re actually good with that 3.3 gun, wont even pen a panther turret so you just cant do a thing against them.
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Ah yes I’m blinded by nation mainism lolz
You picked a great example! The cent mk.2 fully stabalized at 6.7, GREAT APDS, good reload, okay mobility, good armor. Etc.
You know, all the things that wouldddd warrant a big br gap. And i remember when it came in at 6.3!
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Brother just said the Tiger is slow… it’s really not, it’s armor is really good too, often it take a 90MM heat, or a 122mm to kill me, and it always 1 taps.
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This is just cringe… you can definitely pen panthers with a jumbo, or if you aren’t feeling on par to it, just hit the barrel, they can’t run away anyways.
It’s even crazier you think the long barreled version should be 6.0 XD
Your sense of “balance” is all over the place.
PT76 is full stab at 5.3
5.3 shell and mediocre, shattery and not super accurate in shell landing spread. also not the best APDS available at the BR, charioteer has the better gun and Ratel has an ATGM
the armour will stop a tigers 88mm and nothing more not even a panthers, its at tiger 2, IS2 and American T34 BR
its a late 1945 tank using late 1945 tech, its balanced with the other lighter armoured 1945 tanks.
I said the jumbo is slow. don’t skim read and perhaps you would understand the context of the sentence showing I’m talking about the jumbo.
the angle of the casting compensates for cast being worse quality steel than rolled
just like the black prince, decent gun, great armour poor mobility (id say BPs slow speed is made even by the reverse and neutral turn) and very easy to counter if you use your second braincell. Exact same weakspot too.
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Yes the pt76 is stabalized… with poor mobility, and the worst heat fs round in game.
Yes I’m going to skim your post since a lot of it makes little sense in the form of balance.
Even IS-2s / tigers etc can bounce on the front of a cent mk 2 super easily.
The gun is way better, along with shell is better than on the BP over the jumbo. Jumbo makes up for it in APHE,
You can angle in the BP and actually live quite a large margin of shells. Even HE slingers.
If I didn’t know any better, your advocating for the BP to be 6.3
Tiger nor jumbo are slow. The BP is, and of course it is.
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nah bro really used a hull MG on the panther as a weakspot and good luck actually hitting those “penetration possibility is low” spots that are as wide as a hair on it too lmao.
if they had made it the planned meteor powered one then sure 6.3 works. its in the right spot at 6.0 having the same strengths as a long gun jumbo and equally good guns
Heavy cruiser A41 centurion was built to be resitant to Tiger 1s gun, and it very much is. if you cant get the IS2 BR471D or even the standard BR471 to go through you SUUUCK, that’s going through the upper plate from a kilometre easily and the D shell at 2km like butter, the tiger 2 doesn’t even notice centurion armour until you’re at the 5/1 or mk10 at 7.7 and 8.0
the flat pen of the APDS means you can duel with a lot of tanks but I would sacrifice a lot of pen for HE filler any day. if you ever play early APDS types you would get it. and you can angle the turret but there’s always a weakspot to exploit on the hull.
the tigers substantially faster than a jumbo. and the non existent reverse of a sherman stunts it the point that a BP is just as good in urban movement as it can actually fall back and has a smoke thrower to blind an aggressor.
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substantially just like the reverse gear from Sherman’s to the T-34-85s are such a massive difference? Woo a whole 2.~ mph difference? Won’t get you out any faster, you’re likely dead no matter what.
Jumbo is good enough to be 6.0, BP is slow but able to be 6.3.
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Ah yes! The super trolly armor that will more often eat 122mm, 100mm etc. there’s a typically 50/50 when the 122mm will be eaten. 100mm is like 80% eaten 20% pen. It’s even worse if angled even slightly
Funny you consider the vertical angle 😂
Yeez… u still discuss what br it will be?
I tell u, its not going to be lower then 6.3. Thats i am 99% sure about it lower wo make no bloody sense and even on that br it will roflstomp everyone. If it would be a prem i would play that killer till they make it 7.0…
Cent mk 2 is bullshit at 6.7, dont compare it to that thing, but cent is slow and has shitty armor and gun placement in the turret, not really fitting as a medium tank.
T20 is at 6.3 and if i continue playing it they will make it 6.7 soon…
T34-85 with similar stabi would then need to be 1 br lower at 6.3. But making it 6.0 from the getgo makes no bloody sense.
And guys… USE the fkn capped aphe on the 85mm! Holy shit ure all using the wrong ammo!!! Ffs!!!
you didn’t seem to care about trolly armor when you brought up those m61 vs panther images, why does trollynes matter now?
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thats the centurion 1
Theres a reason why jumbos are so high br these days… as u can eliminate weakspots with bushes and u have apcr against panthers and shooting cupola works for tigers and is-2.
Side armor is paper with 38mm but if u dont suck u can shred whole teams apart. Or u used to be able to, before they added artillery and sweden apds, israel heat and wheeled flankers. At that br.
