This is a Latin American tree, not a Latino-Iberian tree. Spain and Portugal have no place in it, sorry.
Unless you count copy-pastes like the Portuguese Leopard 2A6, the only thing that’d add to this tree’s top tier would be the Leopard 2E, as far as I know.
Did you take a closer look at the vehicles? They are not simply “rebranded”. The majority of them have some level of modification/modernization by a Latin American country (some on a higher level than others).
And besides, like someone else already said here in this thread, top tier isn’t everything. If you just play the game to grind a whole tree to then just play the top tier, your gameplay experience must be very frustrating. If you already own a Leopard 2 and want to play just that, then why would you grind a whole different tree? Weird mindset.
OK so i like to play Tier 3 so every nation has the sherman. is the sherman in this tier going to have more modernization? No it wouldnt. its going to be a copy paste with a different flag and camo. So again i would be girding a nation to play the same tank i have already unlocked in 4 other country tech trees with a different flag and camo on them. why do i need a 5th one? Top teir would have the modernization you speak of but that would be a small change to a vehicle that is already in the game. So again regardless of the BR they are the same vehicles with very insignificant changes so it really wouldnt warrant a new nation tree just to have a flag on it. You can buy your countries flag for 500 GE and stick it on everything you own. Your argument has no merit. Wanting copy paste tanks in a new country line up just to say its Latin America is a Weird mindset.
You’re just being picky here. Sure it’s a Sherman, but it has some differences that can lead to a new experience. The M4A4 Remotorizado, Firefly Modernizado and M4 CPDB all have noticeable improvement on mobility, being on par with the M4A3 (76) W in game. Not to mention that the Firefly Modernizado itself also equipped with APDS, making it a real interesting tank to play. Imagine a fast Firefly with APDS? This does not exist in game currently.
You could say the same about the Swedish tree, which pretty much ends with Leopard 2s. Just add a Swedish flag decal onto a German Leopard 2 and pretend it’s a Strv 121/122, and call it a day? With complete disregard for all the interesting domestic vehicles and modifications that are offered by the Swedish tree?
Sure there is a legit copy-paste here and there, but they are necessary to fill gaps or form lineups. Gaijin is very aware of that, which is why there are multiple Shermans across many trees like you said. And sometimes they also just add a copy-paste because they feel like doing it. So there isn’t really anything revolting with doing the same on the LATAM tree (especially since aside from the M4A1E9, there really are local modifications to the other Shermans in this tree).
Either you don’t understand how the game works or you don’t understand anything about it. Or probably both.
You are speaking from ignorance and at the same time (and with little effort) you are trying to waste hours of work from these guys.
On the one hand, the TT offers an excellent variety of unique things that you won’t see in another TT. On the other hand, the selected versions of the vehicles already existing in the game (which some like you here call c&p) were done very well and is the most notable thing about the TT, because it means low effort for Gaijin when it comes to implementing them, and at the same time it is a new vehicle, because it offers different gameplay than other versions.
The Chinese TT IS-2 is a copy of the Soviet IS-2. That’s c&p. If there is something that this TT does not have, it is “copy and paste”.
Take the time to read the proposal carefully, be more grateful and if you are not interested in the topic, I suggest some other section of the forum. Greetings.
the Swedish tech tree has a unique vehicles in it especially at lower tier. They also have some american, british and german mixed in as well. top tier they do have a modified leopard. Like is said though they have domestic unique vehicles to play in their line up. Your proposed doesnt have anything unique about it other than calling it Latin America everything else is just another nations tank with a different flag on it.
The US line up has a Turkish variant of the M60 in it. Does that mean Turkey needs its own tech tree? American has a Premium Greek vehicle in it do we need to have a full tech tree for greeks? Should we have a full tech tree for Kazakhstan? They import all russian vehicles so we can have a full line up of russian tanks, along with a full line up of russian exports of the same type that play exactly the same but have a different flag on them. Sweden goth the leo+ because they needed a top tier tank and it is in their military line up. Plenty of people complained about the sweedish getting the leo because they wanted a sweedish tank for their top tier.
Every tech tree we have now has some unique vehicles to them that are domestically produced. They do have some imports to fill out the tree, but the country did import those vehicles. With out a variety of uniqueness to the tree there is no sense in putting it in.
With the exception of US and USSR, I suggest you go and check out all the TTs in the game and see the huge amount of “copies” or vehicle modifications with a small amount of exclusive stuff (For example, according to your criteria Israel only offers the Merkava, the rest is C&P).
And I tell you more, in the future, the new available nations will have more and more “c&p”. Get used to it, watch other TTs, educate yourself, then form an opinion and only then share it on the forums.
The way you described the Swedish tree can be perfectly used to describe the LATAM tree as well. There are lots of domestic vehicles such as all the EE-9s and EE-11s, the Nahuel, the Tamoyo, the TAM, the Osório… plus plenty of unique modifications like the AMX-30VE, the Tifón-2A, the Peruvian AMX-13s… and there are also imports, which they did use, or at the very least it was made just for them, like the LTP and the PT-91P.
I kindly ask you to take a better look at the vehicles. Or else I’m gonna start thinking you’re just a hater.
Trying to talk down to me to make yourself feel superior is childish to say the least.
They chose to put in the hours to put this together no one made them do anything. I do not need to take anything into consideration for the time they put in. That alone is an arrogant statement. The time they put is is meaning less. Your replies show more ignorance than anything else.
See you have no technical reasons this tree should ever see the light of day. Your post are simply trying to act in a superior way and attacking me personally because your feelings got hurt that i dont want to see the tree added due to the copy past aspect. You need to take the time to understand how the game works and, and separate your feelings and your pride to see the technical reasons this wont happen. If you want to try and to continue to insult me feel free to message me, but i refuse to engage with someone that sinks to insulting someone because they disagree with them because of hurt feelings and pride.
With what you comment you show that you did not even take the time to read the suggestion and realize that there are several indigenous vehicles mainly from Argentina and Brazil, tanks that were designed and built in the country, I think that more than anything you have some kind of hatred unjustified about all this. The tree itself was made with almost no copy/paste as it features vehicles either indigenous or too modified to be called copy/paste, you would know that if you had even bothered to read.
I’m not trying to hate on the idea of Latin American domestically produced vehicles coming into the game. They have some interesting vehicles to add, the only thing im thinking about is having more nations with the same tanks in any BR. When you log into a match and all but 2 people are driving KVT’s or T72 or what ever you know your about to have a bad match. If there is enough domestically produced vehicles to add i would love to see it added. If we are going to have top tier filled with Leo;s Abrams and T tanks it will get really boring playing against the same tanks.
I ground out the american ground and air and was getting bored. i started playing other nations and found having the more unique vehicles to play was really fun as i got to play something new. I have skipped some copy paste vehicles when i could. I just want to see a unique game play between each nation tree. I understand that there would be some copy due to military exports by other countries but if it can be reduced to make the domestically produced shine brighter, then i think it would be a lot more fun to have.
This is just my opinion really and is just that. Gaijin makes the ultimate decision if anything gets added to the game. If they see value and money to be made then they will make it happen. Just keep in mind, that a lot of the minor nations dont get played allot. Hell even the Israeli tree started off in the US tech tree before being made its own and you dont see a lot of Merkava tanks in the game.
Okay, I understand your perspective now, and surprisingly I even kinda agree with you.
The problem you talk about isn’t necessarily and exclusively just copy-pastes, but Gaijin’s business practises. You see a lot of M1 KVTs or T-72AVs because they are premium tanks, and given that grinding is a long and exhausting process, Gaijin just knows everyone will buy them. Especially when said top tier premium tank is in a tree that is filled with ACTUAL copy-pastes across the earlier ranks, like in the Chinese tree.
I respect your opinion, and I promise that we did our best to have a very interesting tree with the least amount of copy-pastes, only relegating to the latter when it’s really needed (i.e the M5A1 Stuart and M3A3 Lee at 2.7, to form a good lineup there). This tree isn’t made simply for having a tank in a different flag, but to show all the potential, uniqueness and capabilities the Latin American countries have shown and still are showing when it comes to military vehicles.
Cheers.
It was a lot of work and defiantly respect you for putting in the time to put these together. I started looking up the domestic tanks and a lot of them never made it past prototype ( well mid to late tier stuff at least ) however thats not stopped them from putting them in the game. They seem to put more of those kinds of vehicles in events and battle pass stuff. Would really love to see some of these tanks added. If they do add them and they do get enough popularity who know they could get their own tech tree. See you around the battlefield Cheers!
I don’t need to expose anything that wasn’t already exposed at the beginning of this thread. It’s just that you didn’t even read it.
If I were to go by my personal intentions, I would put Argentine planes in the German TT, where I already have 9 slots with maximum air-land and sea crew.
greetings
Then you are not looking at the matter objectively and are letting yourself be carried away by your personal preferences.
This TT adapts in every way to the way Gaijin implements new nations. The only novelty is its regional dimension but since there are not many nations left capable of standing on their own and being competitive at the same time, I suppose Gaijin will have to start thinking about other possibilities, so this is a suggestion.
I think there is left the Panhard Lynx ERC 90 6x6 of the “Heroico Colegio Militar” from México…
Tell me more about it. Normally I’d rule it out, but if there’s a story behind it we could consider it as a “hero tank”.
Yes, you have a video on YouTube. A lot of copy paste, waste of time. We don’t need that
That video was made by a person outside the project, so it omitted the most unique and interesting airplanes. The Latam aerial tree will be published soon, which is totally different from that video.
This is incredible, I love Latin America and having it in my favorite game is something incredible. I hope there is an aviation tech tree in the future too.