It going from 11.3 to 12.3 is indeed a sick joke. I’m waiting for the next BR changes to bring this up given how absurd it is. It has ZERO radar missiles and faces ARH regularly now. Absolutely appalling change from gaijin, who prove time and time again they don’t know how to balance their vehicles.
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Aim-9P4 equivalent in all honesty.
Yeaaahh… sure bud, I take it you haven’t played it in the new matchmaker yet? It went up a full 1.0 BR, unlike literally every other phantom… it faces ARH regularly now.
Just want to leave this hear as some info regarding the plane and my experiences with it for anyone who cares:
I spaded the thing, quite a while ago, and I absolutely adored the thing. Hell I even got an ace in an EC map a long time ago, which is hella hard when you only have IR missiles with practically no flare resistance on such a large map. It may have the best flight performance of any phantom in game, as well as some nice IR missiles (which only have the upside of good acceleration as they have the same if not worse turning circle of the Aim-9L), but that lack of radar guided missiles is a major drawback in the new meta. It’s practically a phantom with only 9-Ls as well as the best agile eagle, and nothing else, its new BR is far from warranted. Its still a fkn phantom at the end of the day…
Again, from 11.3 to 12.3… mind boggling how dumb gaijin can be…
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Nothing changed when I played it a few matches the other day. Kurnass 2000 doesn’t face anything it wasn’t already facing.
It was OP at 11.3 and should’ve been 11.7 with EJ Kai from the start.
More countermeasures and 2 more meta IR missiles for losing SARHs? Easy sidegrade.
Better than flying an F-14A that’s for sure.
Not to be rude, but that’s a blatant lie. Again it moved up a full 1.0 BR step, unlike the vast majority of planes around it only going up ~.7
That’s a joke right? It’s a phantom. A god damn phantom, with only IR missiles (with no flare resistance at that) and ZERO radar missile capabilities… like man…
Alright now I know this is bait
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Do you deserve it? 2K and EJKai should be able to talk nonsense with a BR. At present, the ground clutter is reduced to 60 metres. Without AIM7F, it is inferior.
No matter how much Python3 is praised by you, it is not qualified to touch 9M AAM3. It can’t change the level of this plane. This plane lacks Fox1 to gain the ability to take active attack. You can only crawl on the ground like a maggot and pray that the enemy can’t see you or Fox3 and Fox1 shoot. Then you can enter the battle. Use the extremely powerful Python3 that you touted to sneak attack the enemy that doesn’t see you.
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9M and AAM-3 are not at the BR of 12.3 your post is implying, they’re at 13.0 with Gripen and F-15 for some dumb reason, and 13.3+ for everything else.
“But! This subsonic strike aircraft!” Stay on topic.
What fox 3? The AV-8s you identified on the RWR and defeated before they even fired? Cause that’s the only threat, some trash strike aircraft.
13.3 is so improbable to get I’ve gotten exclusively down-tiers playing 12.3 aircraft.
Fox 1s are the weakest missile, and sneaking isn’t necessary… never has been.
You haven’t discovered the fatal flaw of Fox 1s yet, and it has to do with the host radar.
Here’s the explanation: A radar lock forces an aircraft to stick with specific maneuvers. All of which are predictable: Corkscrew, merge, intercept, pull, etc.
I did a corkscrew to dodge an AIM-120 when flying my F-16C firing an AIM-7 back at them which connected; they fired first.
Firing first, especially with a weapon that restricts, handicaps, your capabilities, is NOT a good thing.
You want to fire your weapon when you know, or have a solid prediction, it’ll engage the target. Firing first gives them ALL the power to not only defeat your missile; they know which direction you’re coming from, they know the movements you’re restricted to, and they can intercept you with positional advantage.
It’s not who fires first that wins, it’s who fires last.
You likely haven’t discovered the fatal flaw of Fox 3s yet either, and I ain’t giving hints; people need to learn that one on their own for now. DCS and WT videos are already up showcasing flaws.
Wow, you know so well. Fox1 Fox3 has problems. Why don’t you talk about Fox2’s problems? Are you afraid of overturning the “theories” in front of you?
You like to avoid talking about key issues (2K only Fox2, which lacks active offensive ability), and first belittle Fox1/3, and won’t say the fatal problem of Fox2. It seems that it’s really good in 12.3. In fact, you stole the concept and succeeded in changing it, but I’m too lazy to waste time paying attention to you anymore. After all, you’re already like this. I submissive you. Medically called “hospice care”
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The Fox 2 problem is head-on… that’s really it.
There’s a reason I treat all IR missiles as rear-aspect with few exceptions [9L/9M at 9km head-on, beyond the 5km detection range].
“Active offense” is “I’m giving up my advantage of not being noticed to attempt to scare this man into making a mistake” which doesn’t work.
Radar launches are an opportunity to gain position on the person shooting me, which I do, and they fail every time.
When it finally starts being an issue where they start succeeding, then I have other DCS learned techniques.
AIM-9L has the same flare resistance as Python 3
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wym? i must say it’s undertiered and should be 12.7 instead
i use the k2000. and it feels fine at 12.3 no complaints at all.
290 CM
6 python 3
good platform
downtiers to premium players happen often
just git gud bro
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It’s the same BR as the F-14A, it went up a whole 1.0 BR step when literally every other phantom ingame went up only .7
I highly suggest looking back at this, considering it still lacks any radar missiles and now faces ARH on a regular basis. Its still just a phantom slinging IR missiles only…
What the hell makes you say that?
Getting hit by a pheonix in the k2k sounds like a major skill issue to me. But whatever. My win rate with it stayed the same since the changes
So this is satire?
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The F-14A is as slow in acceleration, barely faster in top speed, no AIM-9Ls, less countermeasures.
The only thing F-14A has is AIM-7s which that weaker radar can’t utilize that well.
I’ve yet to see more than one AV-8B in a match when playing 12.3, that’s the only ARH carrier I’ve seen that’s any resemblance of a threat.
After all, I’d have to have a serious skill issue if I ever considered F-14A a threat. F-14As are so easy to frag and defend against.
I’m not just talking about the Aim-54. You now face the Gripen A regularly, the F-15 regularly, and Aim-120s quite consistently. This massive BR nerf was far from rational or needed. It hurt this plane by quite a lot and changed the average experience per match by a lot more than you understand it out to be.
This plane gets zero Radar or ARH weaponry, and that weaknesses become quite clear in just how important that is. Even more apparent the moment you get into a EC map or mountainous map. The multipath changes and ARH introduction changes everything, and now it faces it even more often than previously. I fail to understand how you think this new BR placement is a rational decision by gaijin when it lacks IRCCM or ARH/SARH missiles, and still is a god damn lead sled.
… you’re joking right?
Hmm lucky you… (but yes the AV-8B+ is the most prominent threat and one I’ve come across very often)
Aim-54s are indeed easy to defeat, however the plane itself is another story, as they have the superior flight performance in every aspect, as well as a really decent missile kit. In a 1 on 1 scenario you’re cooked. And if it’s an F-14B, no point in even trying lmao. Sure if you get a rear aspect missile shot in a tomcat they’re probably cooked (unless it’s an aware F-14B who cuts the engines and spams BOL), but the exact same can be said for you given you’re a bloody phantom, and although the abundant amount of countermeasures can help, it’s a very similar case to the F-14B where once they’re within a certain range, you’re good as dead with those 2 massive ass hot as hell engines.
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The R-24R would like to have a talk with you
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R-24R, an AIM-7E-2/Skyflash equivalent missile, easily defeated due to the Mig-23’s rather bad radar.